Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?

[Richard Smith]

Thank you for not answering my question.

Do you believe that Klein's was required to keep any such "proof"?

Required by whom? They would be utter fools and very quickly out of business if they didn't keep some sort of postal receipt to show that a particular item was send to a particular client or address. Just imagine the free for all as a result of a lack of such proof of shipment; anybody could order something, receive it and then claim their money back by pretending they never received it.

Required by the law in 1963.  That's how things are "required."  LOL.  Your personal opinion of the wisdom of their business practices is amusing but not evidence that they failed to abide by any requirement or treated Oswald's situation differently from any other order.  You are claiming that some proof of shipping is missing here but haven't demonstrated what that would be.  If they were not required to do so and they didn't do so in other cases, no such thing would ever have existed.  You are the one suggesting it did and we should have it to demonstrate that Oswald was sent the rifle.  But that is a false premise.

[Martin Weidmann]

Required by the law in 1963.  That's how things are "required."  LOL.  Your personal opinion of the wisdom of their business practices is amusing but not evidence that they failed to abide by any requirement or treated Oswald's situation differently from any other order.  You are claiming that some proof of shipping is missing here but haven't demonstrated what that would be.  If they were not required to do so and they didn't do so in other cases, no such thing would ever have existed.  You are the one suggesting it did and we should have it to demonstrate that Oswald was sent the rifle.  But that is a false premise.

Nope, I am suggesting that if no such proof of shipping existed, they took for granted that they couldn't prove that an item had indeed been sent. Which of course is exactly what we have here in this case. Thanks for agreeing with me. 

[Richard Smith]

Nope, I am suggesting that if no such proof of shipping existed, they took for granted that they couldn't prove that an item had indeed been sent. Which of course is exactly what we have here in this case. Thanks for agreeing with me. 

You suggested that Klein's failed to do something here that they were never required to do and for which you have provided no evidence that they did in any other similar situations.  Your opinion of their business practices is not relevant.  They knew their business better than you.  Oswald never complained to them about not receiving his rifle.  Oswald provided a mailing address with his order.  A rifle with a specific serial number was sent to this PO Box.  Oswald received a rifle in this same timeframe according to his own wife. A rifle with that same serial number was found in Oswald's place of employment.  According to the DPD, Oswald left his print on that rifle.  According to various experts, that rifle is depicted in the BY photos.  How or why would anyone need to trace the delivery of the rifle through the mail system to link this rifle to Oswald?  There are pictures of him holding it.

[Martin Weidmann]

You suggested that Klein's failed to do something here that they were never required to do and for which you have provided no evidence that they did in any other similar situations.  Your opinion of their business practices is not relevant.  They knew their business better than you.  Oswald never complained to them about not receiving his rifle.  Oswald provided a mailing address with his order.  A rifle with a specific serial number was sent to this PO Box.  Oswald received a rifle in this same timeframe according to his own wife. A rifle with that same serial number was found in Oswald's place of employment.  According to the DPD, Oswald left his print on that rifle.  According to various experts, that rifle is depicted in the BY photos.  How or why would anyone need to trace the delivery of the rifle through the mail system to link this rifle to Oswald?  There are pictures of him holding it.

You suggested that Klein's failed to do something here that they were never required to do

No. I never said they failed to meet any kind of requirement. I did say that they, as a mail order company, would be stupid to leave themselves with no proof of shipment.

Oswald never complained to them about not receiving his rifle.

How do you know this? Did he tell you?

Oswald provided a mailing address with his order.  A rifle with a specific serial number was sent to this PO Box.

Prove it!

Oswald received a rifle in this same timeframe according to his own wife.

Where did Marina say that Oswald received a rifle and when?

According to various experts, that rifle is depicted in the BY photos.

Name those "various experts"

How or why would anyone need to trace the delivery of the rifle through the mail system to link this rifle to Oswald?

Because you haven't provided a shred of evidence for your claims that a rifle was sent, that Oswald received it and so on, and so on...

There are pictures of him holding it.

No, there are pictures of him holding a rifle. Those pictures do not confirm he received that rifle from Kleins' nor do they prove that Oswald was the owner of that rifle.

You are making all sorts of dubious claims for which you can not provide anything more than flawed circular logic.

[John Iacoletti]

I don't respond to Dishonest John but this one is a real keeper and provides insight into the "mind" of the contrarian:  "There’s no evidence that any rifle went through the postal service."  What does this even mean in that context?

I haven’t said a single dishonest thing, yet “Richard” as usual just rattled off a slew of dishonest misrepresentations about photos and prints and what Marina “confirmed”.

Because “Richard” claims (without evidence) that they “didn’t keep such records” (you ever hear of a receipt?), then we should just accept that a rifle was shipped and picked up by Oswald because “Richard” believes it and Marina said he had a rifle.

[John Iacoletti]

As I recall, there were different legal rules for shipping handguns.  Different companies also have different business policies.  You have shown us nothing to support the conclusion that Klein's must have had additional evidence of the transaction.  For example, is there is any evidence that Klein's handled any other rifle order differently from this one?

Maybe it the original microfilm didn’t go “missing”, that could be investigated. Darn the luck.

[John Iacoletti]

Required by the law in 1963.  That's how things are "required."  LOL.  Your personal opinion of the wisdom of their business practices is amusing but not evidence that they failed to abide by any requirement or treated Oswald's situation differently from any other order.

Says the guy with no evidence that Oswald ever received or picked up any such order.

[John Iacoletti]

Where did Marina say that Oswald received a rifle and when?

She didn’t. Another dishonest “Richard” claim.