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Online David Von Pein

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2023, 01:23:18 AM »
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From May 2013....

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

It would have taken several minutes to place the rifle in position and then cover it with paper and boxes of books.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Absolute nonsense. You make it sound like he was constructing the Pyramids.

FWIW, it's my own opinion (based on LHO's clipboard being found very near this same area of the stairs and rifle) that Oswald likely pre-arranged his rifle-stashing area near the stairwell in advance of 12:30 PM.

But even if he didn't pre-arrange it, Walt's theory is just more of the same over-the-top dreck that Walt always utilizes in order to keep from having to admit what the evidence so plainly shows--and that is:

Walt's favorite "patsy" was, in truth, the assassin of President Kennedy -- and Oswald himself hid his own rifle in those boxes before fleeing down the nearby stairway.

Simple and Occam-like. But Walt likes the "Pyramids" approach better.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-743.html
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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2023, 01:23:18 AM »


Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2023, 01:25:23 AM »
You haven't "explained" anything.  You voiced a baseless opinion that Oswald would have hidden the rifle better if he were the assassin.  HA HA HA.  Then when asked where he might have done that under the circumstances with law enforcement converging on the TSBD, you acknowledged you didn't have a clue.  He just would have.  We should take your word.  Implying that if Oswald assassinated JFK he could have hidden the rifle somewhere that it couldn't ever be found, and then go about his normal life.  Unreal.

You haven't "explained" anything.

This sounds familiar. Looking in the mirror, were you?

You voiced a baseless opinion that Oswald would have hidden the rifle better if he were the assassin.  HA HA HA.

And you voiced a baseless opinion (allegedly "based" on non-existing evidence) that Oswald was on the 6th floor of the TSBD when the shots were fired. HA HA HA.

We should take your word.

Just like we are supposed to take yours time after time?
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Online David Von Pein

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2023, 01:26:21 AM »
Bonus Blast From The Past (featuring more Cakebread Crackpottery)....

From July 2009....

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

The fact that the TSBD was set up as the place where the shots were fired from is a strong indication that there was a conspiracy. Obviously Oswald didn't want to take credit for shooting JFK. He adamantly denied that he had anything to do with any shooting.

Therefore, if he really had been one of the assassins and didn't want to be connected with the crime, he would not have shot JFK from the building where he was employed, because he was smart enough to know that the cops would question every employee in that building in search of the killer.

If Oswald had been the assassin, he would have found another site to shoot from...one that he was not connected to.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The amount of "denial" and "evidence ignoring" that exists in Walt's above post is staggering.

Here are some of the things that a kook like Walt must totally ignore (or pretend were "faked" and/or "planted") in order for his above paragraph of garbage to be considered true:

1.) Lee Harvey Oswald's prints all over the EXACT place in the TSBD from where an assassin was firing a rifle at President Kennedy.

2.) Oswald's very own rifle found on the same floor from where an assassin was shooting at JFK.

3.) Three bullet shells from Oswald's rifle found directly underneath the same window from where an assassin was firing a rifle at JFK.

4.) The empty brown paper bag (with LHO's prints on it!) found under the window from where a person was shooting at Kennedy.

5.) Howard Brennan's positive identification of Lee Oswald as the TSBD assassin.

6.) Oswald's fleeing the building within minutes of the assassination. This action taken by Oswald, plus all of his other post-12:30 actions on 11/22/63, reek of guilt (except to conspiracists who WANT Sweet Lee to be free from all blame in both the JFK and Tippit murders).

7.) Oswald's many lies that he told the authorities after his arrest. Particularly his lies concerning his Carcano rifle, which are lies that also reek of guilt, as LHO was obviously attempting to distance himself as much as humanly possible from the weapon that killed John F. Kennedy. And why would an INNOCENT Lee Oswald need to distance himself from the weapon if he didn't use it HIMSELF to kill the President?

Sadly, Walter Cakebread will continue to remain a charter member of the "Anybody But Oswald" conspiracy club (which was established in 1966 and helmed by Earling Carothers "Jimbo" Garrison, of course), despite the seven items of rock-solid physical and circumstantial evidence against JFK's murderer that are displayed in my list above.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/02/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-628.html
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Re: A question about Oswald
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2023, 05:27:49 AM »
Bonus Blast From The Past (featuring more Cakebread Crackpottery)....

From July 2009....

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

The fact that the TSBD was set up as the place where the shots were fired from is a strong indication that there was a conspiracy. Obviously Oswald didn't want to take credit for shooting JFK. He adamantly denied that he had anything to do with any shooting.

Therefore, if he really had been one of the assassins and didn't want to be connected with the crime, he would not have shot JFK from the building where he was employed, because he was smart enough to know that the cops would question every employee in that building in search of the killer.

If Oswald had been the assassin, he would have found another site to shoot from...one that he was not connected to.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The amount of "denial" and "evidence ignoring" that exists in Walt's above post is staggering.

Here are some of the things that a kook like Walt must totally ignore (or pretend were "faked" and/or "planted") in order for his above paragraph of garbage to be considered true:

1.) Lee Harvey Oswald's prints all over the EXACT place in the TSBD from where an assassin was firing a rifle at President Kennedy.

2.) Oswald's very own rifle found on the same floor from where an assassin was shooting at JFK.

3.) Three bullet shells from Oswald's rifle found directly underneath the same window from where an assassin was firing a rifle at JFK.

4.) The empty brown paper bag (with LHO's prints on it!) found under the window from where a person was shooting at Kennedy.

5.) Howard Brennan's positive identification of Lee Oswald as the TSBD assassin.

6.) Oswald's fleeing the building within minutes of the assassination. This action taken by Oswald, plus all of his other post-12:30 actions on 11/22/63, reek of guilt (except to conspiracists who WANT Sweet Lee to be free from all blame in both the JFK and Tippit murders).

7.) Oswald's many lies that he told the authorities after his arrest. Particularly his lies concerning his Carcano rifle, which are lies that also reek of guilt, as LHO was obviously attempting to distance himself as much as humanly possible from the weapon that killed John F. Kennedy. And why would an INNOCENT Lee Oswald need to distance himself from the weapon if he didn't use it HIMSELF to kill the President?

Sadly, Walter Cakebread will continue to remain a charter member of the "Anybody But Oswald" conspiracy club (which was established in 1966 and helmed by Earling Carothers "Jimbo" Garrison, of course), despite the seven items of rock-solid physical and circumstantial evidence against JFK's murderer that are displayed in my list above.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/02/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-628.html

1.) Lee Harvey Oswald's prints all over the EXACT place in the TSBD from where an assassin was firing a rifle at President Kennedy.

First of all, this is a (not unexpected) massive exaggeration, which not only conveniently ignores that Oswald worked in the building as his job was handling boxes (with books) including those on the 6th floor. It also misrepresents the evidence as there were more prints found on boxes but they remained unidentified, which implies the possibility that somebody else was in the so-called sniper's nest.

2.) Oswald's very own rifle found on the same floor from where an assassin was shooting at JFK.

There is no conclusive evidence that shows that the rifle found at the TSBD was owned by Oswald. You can try to spin this anyway you like, but the fact remains that all there is;

(1) the questionable opinion of an FBI questioned documents experts who claimed it was Oswald who wrote an order form of which the original couldn't even be examined.
(2) Waldman 7, which is not only also a photocopy of which the authenticity never was or can be conclusively established, with a serial number handwritten on it.
(3) three poor quality photos, taken in March 1963, of Oswald holding a rifle of which it can not be determined who the owner was

That's it. Everything else is window dressing and speculative claims not supported by evidence.

3.) Three bullet shells from Oswald's rifle found directly underneath the same window from where an assassin was firing a rifle at JFK.

When were those shells fired by that rifle? And which shells are we talking about exactly? The ones Fritz picked up or the ones he threw down in the sniper's nest?

4.) The empty brown paper bag (with LHO's prints on it!) found under the window from where a person was shooting at Kennedy.

Another dubious claim. The first six officers who were in or near the sniper's nest did not see a paper bag. Only after Studebaker arrived other officers began to see the paper bag.
According to Studebaker, who failed to photograph it in situ, the bag was folded up, but when it was brought out of the TSBD it was unfolded and clearly had something in it to hold it up.
The only two witnesses who actually saw the bag Oswald carried gave descriptions of the bag they saw which do not match the bag found at the TSBD. One of those witnesses, Buell Frazier, was shown the TSBD bag during his polygraph interrogation and he absolutely denied it was the bag he had seen. In fact, he still denies that to this day.

5.) Howard Brennan's positive identification of Lee Oswald as the TSBD assassin.

Utter BS. Brennan was not a credible witness. He made a false claim about where he was sitting on the wall. He claimed he saw the shooter fire one of the shots, when in fact he can be seen in the Zapruder video as looking at the limo as it went down Elm street. He also either lied when he first said he couldn't identify Oswald or when he later said that he could identify him. In either case, the man was a lair.

6.) Oswald's fleeing the building within minutes of the assassination. This action taken by Oswald, plus all of his other post-12:30 actions on 11/22/63, reek of guilt (except to conspiracists who WANT Sweet Lee to be free from all blame in both the JFK and Tippit murders).

There is no conclusive evidence to show that Oswald left the building "within minutes of the assassination" and there most certainly isn't any evidence that he was "fleeing the building". Besides, your opinion of what you think actually happened after the assassination isn't evidence of anything else but your willingness to believe anything that you are told, regardless if there is evidence for it or not

7.) Oswald's many lies that he told the authorities after his arrest. 

You don't know what Oswald really told the interrogators. All you have to go on are reports, written days later and from memory, which on key points conflict with eachother. This means that you have no sound basis to justify your conclusion that Oswald lied to the interrogators. And, again, your opinions are not evidence.

Particularly his lies concerning his Carcano rifle, which are lies that also reek of guilt, as LHO was obviously attempting to distance himself as much as humanly possible from the weapon that killed John F. Kennedy.  And why would an INNOCENT Lee Oswald need to distance himself from the weapon if he didn't use it HIMSELF to kill the President?

So you assume that the carcano found at the TSBD belonged to Oswald and use that assumption to argue that "LHO was obviously attempting to distance himself as much as humanly possible from the weapon that killed John F. Kennedy". Nice circular "logic" which of course completely ignores the possibility that Oswald did indeed not own a rifle as he told his interrogators. If he didn't own it, he wouldn't have to distance himself from it, would he now.

the seven items of rock-solid physical and circumstantial evidence against JFK's murderer that are displayed in my list above.

Except you are seriously lacking actual physical evidence. All you really have is a rifle, three shells and a paper bag. Everything else is conjecture. And circumstantial evidence is in reality nothing more than a story. It seems to me that your entire story has more holes in it that Swiss cheese, not that you will ever admit or except that.....
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2023, 05:33:29 AM »
You haven't "explained" anything.  You voiced a baseless opinion that Oswald would have hidden the rifle better if he were the assassin.  HA HA HA. 

Says the guy who voiced a baseless opinion about Oswald “playing his cards out because he had nothing to lose”. HA HA HA.

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2023, 05:42:11 AM »
Nice takedown of DVP’s usual propaganda, Martin.

He will ignore it and just regurgitate the same all over again at a later time.

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2023, 05:54:17 AM »
DVP...will ignore it and just regurgitate the same all over again at a later time.

I sure will.

And CTers like John I. and Martin W. will, as always, continue to bask in their denial of Oswald's all-too-obvious guilt.

Why someone would want to bask in such denial, I haven't the foggiest. But most Internet CTers perpetually enjoy doing it.
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2023, 08:13:25 AM »
I sure will.

And CTers like John I. and Martin W. will, as always, continue to bask in their denial of Oswald's all-too-obvious guilt.

Why someone would want to bask in such denial, I haven't the foggiest. But most Internet CTers perpetually enjoy doing it.

Your inability to counter any of my factual remarks with solid arguments is duly noted. You, rather pathetically, tried to provoke a response from Walt by ridiculing him and now that you and your silly arguments have been blown out of the water you run like a weasel.

Your opinion about Oswald's guilt is no better, no more significant and no more superior than the opinions of those who disagree with you.

Besides, John and I have never claimed that Oswald was innocent or guilty. All we do is challenge the BS that fools like you call "evidence" and simply can't defend with a coherent argument.

For the life of me, I do not understand why LNs are always desperately making claims that are not supported by the evidence as well as massive leaps of faith.
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