RIP to the Single-bullet theory?

[Alan Ford]

Mr. Paul Landis' description for NBC News of where he found the bullet:

"...on the back of the seat where the cushioning meets the trunk of the car [...] It was just lying where the seam on the back of the seat meets the metal of the trunk, and it's where they would have attached the bubble top if they were putting it on"

A quote from the pre-publication proofs:

“When Mrs. Kennedy finally stood up, I looked down at the seat and saw a bullet on top of the tufted black leather cushioning behind where she had been sitting. It was resting in a seam where the tufted leather padding ended against the car’s metal body. It wasn’t a bullet fragment like the other two pieces. It was a completely intact bullet. It had been hidden behind Mrs. Kennedy all the time she was seated.”

Do the underlined words definitely mean 'behind her side of the [long] seat'?

[Michael Welch]

A shiny silver colored bullet? Were “they” trying to kill a vampire [Edit: or was that supposed to be a werewolf?] with a polished silver bullet? Here is your other photo of the limo before 11/22:




The yellow arrow shows a similar light reflection (to what I am describing) on the curved portion (convex) trim closest to the camera. The red arrow shows a similar light reflection on the inside (concave) portion of the curved part of the trim in the same area that your 11/22 photo depicts (except on the convex surface). You can have your opinion, I really don’t care. I am just trying to show you what I believe the 11/22 photo depicts.

Hi Charles, You may be right. I may be wrong. The difference that I see in the 1961 picture is much more reflection on the trim. I see the same radiance throughout these reflections. In the Clint Hill photo, I see more intensity and depth in the red arrow object---like it is really an object. You are good! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Michael Welch]

Mr. Paul Landis' description for NBC News of where he found the bullet:

"...on the back of the seat where the cushioning meets the trunk of the car [...] It was just lying where the seam on the back of the seat meets the metal of the trunk, and it's where they would have attached the bubble top if they were putting it on"

A quote from the pre-publication proofs:

“When Mrs. Kennedy finally stood up, I looked down at the seat and saw a bullet on top of the tufted black leather cushioning behind where she had been sitting. It was resting in a seam where the tufted leather padding ended against the car’s metal body. It wasn’t a bullet fragment like the other two pieces. It was a completely intact bullet. It had been hidden behind Mrs. Kennedy all the time she was seated.”

Do the underlined words definitely mean 'behind her side of the [long] seat'?

Hi Alan, I believe he is saying right behind her usual spot during the motorcade ride. I however have thought that Jackle was not sitting in her normal position cradling her husband's head in her lap on the ride to Parkland because there is no huge bloodspot on her lap, but was on the floor in front of the President facing him on her knees. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Michael Walton]

    What is actually pushing this revival of the JFK Assassination is the candidacy of RFK Jr for POTUS. He makes no bones about his "uncle" having been murdered in a conspiracy involving the CIA. He brings it up every time he is interviewed. RFK Jr is gonna continue to drive this topic as the JFK assassination anniversary heads into yr 60/Nov. Count on it.

I actually don't have a problem with RFK Jr doing that. That family deserves to get to the truth of what happened on 11/22. I do have a problem with people trying to make a buck off of it.

[Jon Banks]

Russ Baker on the Landis story:

Newest JFK Twist: Agent’s Explosive Story Conflicts With Forgotten Earlier One

Landis is now clearly stating what he found in the car was a whole bullet, as distinguished from fragments.

But in his 1983 Associated Press interview, according to the AP account,

Landis said that when he got to the Kennedy limousine outside the hospital, the president had already been taken inside, but he helped Mrs. Kennedy out. He said there was a bullet fragment on the top of the back seat that he picked up and gave to somebody.

So, in that version, it was a fragment, and, instead of putting it on Kennedy’s stretcher, he gave it to someone else...

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Robenalt says that Landis, who resigned from the service within months of Dallas and who, like his colleagues in the Secret Service, faced major trauma and guilt over the assassination, almost entirely avoided any of the debate and emerging claims over the years and had trouble coming out with his full story. (In fact, he was never interviewed by the Warren Commission or FBI, and was never asked what happened that day.) In two reports to his own agency he never mentioned finding that bullet.

Asked whether he knew about the 1983 statement, Robenalt paused briefly, then said Landis told him that he had been misquoted in the AP story. But he went on to acknowledge that Landis had recounted essentially the same bullet-fragment story in The Kennedy Detail: JFK’s Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence. This was a 2010 account written by former presidential detail agent Gerald Blaine and a journalist, Lisa McCubbin, with the participation of Clint Hill,  who became famous for crawling on the trunk of the limousine to protect Jackie Kennedy as she clambered backwards. 

Robenalt says Landis, who didn’t know McCubbin well, wasn’t sure whether he should trust her, so he withheld the truth about what really happened. But then in 2014, after reading Josiah “Tink” Thompson’s 1967 book, Six Seconds in Dallas, and seeing for the first time the “official” explanation that a whole bullet had been found on Connally’s stretcher, he realized that, no, that was actually the bullet he had found in Kennedy’s limousine, and that he shouldn’t remain silent any longer.

Landis communicated with Hill about what he now says he actually saw and did, and Hill   cautioned him to be careful about damaging the Secret Service’s reputation further. This was shortly after one of the Service’s biggest scandals, a 2012 trip to Colombia, where, tasked with protecting President Obama, agents cavorted with prostitutes. It’s interesting that Hill’s own story about what he saw also changed over the years, but in the direction of the official account. Hill now is expressing doubts about Landis’s recollections.

And here’s a kicker: a Parkland student nurse, Sharon Tuohy, being interviewed in the 1970s by staffers for another panel, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, recounting how she had seen a bullet on Kennedy’s stretcher. 

https://whowhatwhy.org/culture/newest-jfk-twist-agents-explosive-story-conflicts-with-forgotten-earlier-one/

Landis' story is clearly worthy of skepticism but at least two nurses at Parkland hospital are on record claiming to have saw a bullet on Kennedy's stretcher. If he didn't put the bullet on Kennedy's stretcher, who did?


Prior to Landis, Secret Service agent, Samuel Kinney was claimed to have said he was the person who put an intact bullet on Kennedy's stretcher at Parkland. If the Kinney claim is true, that makes the Landis story seem more like a limited hangout.

https://www.youtube.com/live/cyf70ziwWgs?si=klWQ20OiVRsOJ2sp&t=2245

[John Iacoletti]

I actually don't have a problem with RFK Jr doing that. That family deserves to get to the truth of what happened on 11/22. I do have a problem with people trying to make a buck off of it.

Did you have a problem with Clint Hill “trying to make a buck off it”?

[Richard Smith]

There is no conceivable reason that a SS agent would leave the bullet that he believes was used to assassinate the president on a stretcher.  That is absurd. 

There is also no conceivable reason why a SS agent would receive a bullet from a citizen, put it in his pocket instead of an evidence bag (which were available at Parkland), take it to Washington and not establish a credible chain of custody for it. Yet, that's exactly what happened.... Go figure.

It's ridiculous to compare that to this story in which a SS agent obtains a critical piece of evidence and then abandons it on a stretcher and never says a word for 60 years.  The SS had a lot going on that day.  Pedantic nitpicking by a contrarian that they didn't comport themselves as they might in a calmer situation when the president and just been assassinated and they had to be concerned with further attempts on LBJ is laughable. 

[Martin Weidmann]

It's ridiculous to compare that to this story in which a SS agent obtains a critical piece of evidence and then abandons it on a stretcher and never says a word for 60 years.  The SS had a lot going on that day.  Pedantic nitpicking by a contrarian that they didn't comport themselves as they might in a calmer situation when the president and just been assassinated and they had to be concerned with further attempts on LBJ is laughable.

I am not comparing anything. Instead I am merely pointing out just how hypocritical your argument is.

You argued against the Landis story by claiming that there was "no conceivable reason" that a SS agent would act that way.
I merely pointed out that there was also "no conceivable reason" for a SS agent to deal with a crucial piece of evidence in such a negligent manner, yet it happened nevertheless.

In other words, your entire "no conceivale reason" argument is BS.

The SS had a lot going on that day.

Sure they did.... Losing the President and subsequently violating the law by illegally taking Kennedy's body and the limo out of Texas to Washington.
Mishandling crucial evidence and letting unauthorised men contaminate a crime scene by allowing them to "search" the limo before the forensic team of the FBI arrived.
So, yes they had their hands full that day.