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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2023, 10:45:43 PM »
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Hi Dan, Just look at your video clip as it is. Only Nix shows Mary in the street. By the way, Nix shows Toni Foster in her raincoat, but Muchmore shows the Babushka Lady! The Nix and Zapruder films simply do not match, in movements, space etc. Only Nix shows what happened! Also can you comment on the briefing board. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

Only Nix shows Mary in the street.

Nix doesn't show Moorman stood in the street.
The grass slopes down to the road.
In the pic below notice you can only see half of the motorcycle wheel (pointed out by red arrow) It's because of the way the grass slopes down.



That's why Summers looks like he's sat in the road and why you can't see Altgens' feet when you watch the film.

Nix shows Toni Foster in her raincoat, but Muchmore shows the Babushka Lady!

Foster doesn't appear in Muchmore, she's not in a position to appear in the film.
If you look at Zapruder you can see how far away she is from the road.
There is literally no mystery here.

Also can you comment on the briefing board

I can't think of anything worth commenting on.
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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2023, 10:49:45 PM »
Hi Royell, Yes, this would be a briefing board done on November 24th, 1963, when the Zapruder film was altered. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

Every attempt you have made to present alterations in the film have been blown out of the water.
Just out of interest, what exactly do you believe was altered in the Z-film and why was it altered. That question goes for Royell.

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2023, 11:37:10 PM »
Only Nix shows Mary in the street.

Nix doesn't show Moorman stood in the street.
The grass slopes down to the road.
In the pic below notice you can only see half of the motorcycle wheel (pointed out by red arrow) It's because of the way the grass slopes down.



That's why Summers looks like he's sat in the road and why you can't see Altgens' feet when you watch the film.

Nix shows Toni Foster in her raincoat, but Muchmore shows the Babushka Lady!

Foster doesn't appear in Muchmore, she's not in a position to appear in the film.
If you look at Zapruder you can see how far away she is from the road.
There is literally no mystery here.

Also can you comment on the briefing board

I can't think of anything worth commenting on.

Hi Dan, No, B. J. Martin's motorcycle's wheel is in the street! The curb blocks seeing all of the wheel; just like it cuts down Mary Moorman's size---because she is standing in the street. Ike Altgens' shoes are blocked by the grass turf. I am saying the Zapruder film was altered to keep SSA William Greer out of trouble! If JFK's usual driver who died I think on October 14th, 1963, had driven, JFK probably would have survived. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
   


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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2023, 12:02:20 AM »
Hi Dan, No, B. J. Martin's motorcycle's wheel is in the street! The curb blocks seeing all of the wheel; just like it cuts down Mary Moorman's size---because she is standing in the street. Ike Altgens' shoes are blocked by the grass turf. I am saying the Zapruder film was altered to keep SSA William Greer out of trouble! If JFK's usual driver who died I think on October 14th, 1963, had driven, JFK probably would have survived. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
   


Ike Altgens' shoes are blocked by the grass turf

So are Moorman's  ::)

I am saying the Zapruder film was altered to keep SSA William Greer out of trouble!

The Z-film shows the limo slowing down to almost walking pace just before the head shot, it's just really difficult to see.
Nix also shows the limo drastically slowing down then speeding away.
The Bronson film also shows the limo slowing down. The follow-up car almost runs into the back of it and the motorcycles end up almost alongside it.
There was no way to hide the fact the limo slowed right down before the head shot, so no need to alter anything.

It is notable that Greer lied about this in his WC testimony, insisting he kept a steady speed during the shooting.
It is also notable he "forgot" he was looking at JFK when his head exploded, as shown in the Z-film.
Greer's testimony is a joke, he can barely remember anything, answering "don't know" to almost everything. He insists he was focused on the top of the underpass as he approached it and saw no-one up there:



Hmmmm.....


Greer lied in his testimony

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2023, 01:14:37 AM »
Ike Altgens' shoes are blocked by the grass turf

So are Moorman's  ::)

I am saying the Zapruder film was altered to keep SSA William Greer out of trouble!

The Z-film shows the limo slowing down to almost walking pace just before the head shot, it's just really difficult to see.
Nix also shows the limo drastically slowing down then speeding away.
The Bronson film also shows the limo slowing down. The follow-up car almost runs into the back of it and the motorcycles end up almost alongside it.
There was no way to hide the fact the limo slowed right down before the head shot, so no need to alter anything.

It is notable that Greer lied about this in his WC testimony, insisting he kept a steady speed during the shooting.
It is also notable he "forgot" he was looking at JFK when his head exploded, as shown in the Z-film.
Greer's testimony is a joke, he can barely remember anything, answering "don't know" to almost everything. He insists he was focused on the top of the underpass as he approached it and saw no-one up there:



Hmmmm.....


Greer lied in his testimony

Hi Dan, I love watching a Mary Woodward interview! She always says SSA Greer just did not do anything to get the President out of there, and it really tears her up! In my opinion Mary Moorman in Nix is cut down by the size of the curb on South Elm Street. She is not merely standing in the grass like in Zapruder and Muchmore. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2023, 09:33:58 AM »
Hi Dan, I love watching a Mary Woodward interview! She always says SSA Greer just did not do anything to get the President out of there, and it really tears her up! In my opinion Mary Moorman in Nix is cut down by the size of the curb on South Elm Street. She is not merely standing in the grass like in Zapruder and Muchmore. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael




Hi Michael, I'm going to have to bail out of this conversation as I find the notion that someone removed Mary Moorman from each of the Z-frames and placed her on the grass so utterly ludicrous that I find I'm slightly embarrassed to have got caught up in a discussion about it.
To believe this could actually be done is ridiculous.
To believe it could be done and not leave any trace of alteration is truly bonkers.
To believe it was done to keep Greer out of trouble is....I honestly don't know what that is.

We are obviously interested in this case for very different reasons - reasons that do not overlap in any way.
Good luck to you.

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2023, 01:40:07 PM »



Hi Michael, I'm going to have to bail out of this conversation as I find the notion that someone removed Mary Moorman from each of the Z-frames and placed her on the grass so utterly ludicrous that I find I'm slightly embarrassed to have got caught up in a discussion about it.
To believe this could actually be done is ridiculous.
To believe it could be done and not leave any trace of alteration is truly bonkers.
To believe it was done to keep Greer out of trouble is....I honestly don't know what that is.

We are obviously interested in this case for very different reasons - reasons that do not overlap in any way.
Good luck to you.

Hi Dan, I stand corrected! Thank you for teaching me! I agree with you that she was on the grass. According to tests done in 2001 by Mack and Thompson she had to be about 6 inches from the edge of the curb. I think that the Zapruder film always shows her farther away? The thing that I do not like about the Zapruder film is this: I hate that the people standing on the side of the street that Jean and Mary are on starting with the Apron Man on down do not seem to be in sync with the Presidential limo. They seem to be looking to the right most of the time when the limo has already passed! Your Z-305 frame is a good example! Thanks again for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael


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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2023, 12:58:26 AM »
Every attempt you have made to present alterations in the film have been blown out of the water.
Just out of interest, what exactly do you believe was altered in the Z-film and why was it altered. That question goes for Royell.

   Do your research and familiarize yourself with the story of CIA Image Expert Dino Brugioni and what he believed was the difference between the Z Film he examined the weekend after the assassination vs The Current Z film. Do the work and then we can talk. You are well behind the curve here.   

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
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