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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2023, 03:14:30 AM »
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That’s interesting, if that really is THE bus, then LHO would have gotten off sometime around the time that the top photo was taken. And the second photo with the TSBD in the background would have been taken after LHO had left the bus. What is the source of your information regarding these photos. I looked at the photo gallery on this website, but Reed’s photos don’t include these. I do see what appears to be someone standing in or crossing the street near the bus in the first photo. I am pretty sure it is LHO (or maybe a hatless cop).   ;)

There are a series of very poor quality photos taken by Reed at "Stuart Reed - Prayer Man".
I first heard about Reed in this article - https://docplayer.net/120940467-James-powell-redux-an-army-intelligence-agent-in-dealey-plaza.html
I got these better quality pics from  Perry Vermeulen's site, "Oswald in Bus 1213"

I am pretty sure it is LHO (or maybe a hatless cop).   ;)

 ;D
Once you see one hatless cop you start to see them everywhere.

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« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2023, 03:23:21 AM »

   Getting back to Towner 3, that Blues Bros looking guy walking UP The Steps looks a lot like the Umbrella Man standing under/near the Stemmons Sign. Exactly where did this guy come from and then climb The Steps?   
   Witt, the self proclaimed "Umbrella Man", gave HSCA Testimony describing his actions that day. Those described actions do Not match the images of Umbrella Man. Once again, we have 1 person/Witt claiming to be someone inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 and the JFK Assassination Research Community just rubber stamping their identity without any Corroboration/Evidence. Witt testified that he was moving down the Knoll toward Elm St when the JFK Limo passed by him. He claimed he was fighting to open his umbrella while in motion and failed to see the JFK Limo as it went by him. The Bronson Film shows this description to be Total  BS:  That is, if that guy standing stock still near the Stemmons Sign with an open umbrella is actually Witt. Either: (1) that ain't Witt on the Hughes Film, (2)the Hughes Film is Bogus, or (3)Witt is lying.   

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2023, 01:43:11 PM »
There are a series of very poor quality photos taken by Reed at "Stuart Reed - Prayer Man".
I first heard about Reed in this article - https://docplayer.net/120940467-James-powell-redux-an-army-intelligence-agent-in-dealey-plaza.html
I got these better quality pics from  Perry Vermeulen's site, "Oswald in Bus 1213"

I am pretty sure it is LHO (or maybe a hatless cop).   ;)

 ;D
Once you see one hatless cop you start to see them everywhere.


Thanks, it appears that Perry has the wrong bus indicated in the second photo. According to the article on Powell, bus 1213 is just barely in that photo, on the camera left). And the bus that Perry indicates is 1213 is actually the one that stops in front of LHO’s rooming house. I drew a blue arrow to show bus 1213 (according to the Powell article):



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« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2023, 01:24:34 AM »
Speaking of umbrellas, the Daily Mail contends Oswald was hit by one when he was arrested. Has anyone heard this tidbit before?




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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2023, 06:23:06 PM »
In his interview with Doug Horne, photo analyst Dino Brugioni (see "The Zapruder Film Mystery" on YouTube) states that the 8 mm. Z film was brought to him in the NPIC lab on the evening of SaPersonay, Nov. 23, 1963, by two Secret Service agents, who had just come from the airport. The agents wanted Brugioni to make copies of particular frames of the Z film that would then be used to make briefing boards for the CIA.  After finding an 8 mm. projector, Brugioni and the agents watched the Z film.  It was the first time any of them had seen it, and all were shocked by the sight of the head shot causing a piece of JFK's skull to fly "three or four feet" into the air. They watched the film several times. Brugioni says it was the last time he saw the film looking the way it did on that SaPersonay night. Horne comments that if any aspect of the film has been altered (such as the missing frames of JFK's skull piece flying into the air) then the entire film is suspect. Among the suspects is the Secret Service. While JFK was still in Parkland, a Secret Service agent was photographed removing blood spatter from the presidential limo with a bucket and sponge.  Law enforcement agencies never -- never -- remove evidence from a crime scene.  Later that evening in Washington, two Secret Service agents asked the autopsy surgeon to give them JFK's brain, which he was carrying in a metal container.  He gave it to them because the agents said Bobby Kennedy had asked for it.  Did the Secret Service remove evidence because they already knew what had happened? Was the Secret Service trying to remove evidence that could have shown that a Secret Service agent standing on the rear seat of the backup car was thrown off balance and accidentally fired his AR-15 and hit JFK's head when the motorcade changed speeds? Did the Secret Service try to protect their reputations by covering up a tragic accident, thereby causing untold agony to Americans who suspect that we're not being told the truth?  In other words, did they protect themselves at the expense of the nation they swore to defend?     

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« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2023, 09:46:33 PM »
In his interview with Doug Horne, photo analyst Dino Brugioni (see "The Zapruder Film Mystery" on YouTube) states that the 8 mm. Z film was brought to him in the NPIC lab on the evening of SaPersonay, Nov. 23, 1963, by two Secret Service agents, who had just come from the airport. The agents wanted Brugioni to make copies of particular frames of the Z film that would then be used to make briefing boards for the CIA.  After finding an 8 mm. projector, Brugioni and the agents watched the Z film.  It was the first time any of them had seen it, and all were shocked by the sight of the head shot causing a piece of JFK's skull to fly "three or four feet" into the air. They watched the film several times. Brugioni says it was the last time he saw the film looking the way it did on that SaPersonay night. Horne comments that if any aspect of the film has been altered (such as the missing frames of JFK's skull piece flying into the air) then the entire film is suspect. Among the suspects is the Secret Service. While JFK was still in Parkland, a Secret Service agent was photographed removing blood spatter from the presidential limo with a bucket and sponge.  Law enforcement agencies never -- never -- remove evidence from a crime scene.  Later that evening in Washington, two Secret Service agents asked the autopsy surgeon to give them JFK's brain, which he was carrying in a metal container.  He gave it to them because the agents said Bobby Kennedy had asked for it.  Did the Secret Service remove evidence because they already knew what had happened? Was the Secret Service trying to remove evidence that could have shown that a Secret Service agent standing on the rear seat of the backup car was thrown off balance and accidentally fired his AR-15 and hit JFK's head when the motorcade changed speeds? Did the Secret Service try to protect their reputations by covering up a tragic accident, thereby causing untold agony to Americans who suspect that we're not being told the truth?  In other words, did they protect themselves at the expense of the nation they swore to defend?   

Hi Della, Thank you for your input! The Secret Service handled all aspects of films and photos. They were in charge of having alterations done of any picture or film that needed to be done. It appears that all alterations were done by November 28th, probably at Hawkeye Works! The Secret Service in other words were as nefarious as anybody involved in the assassination of JFK! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2023, 06:05:19 PM »
Hi Della, Thank you for your input! The Secret Service handled all aspects of films and photos. They were in charge of having alterations done of any picture or film that needed to be done. It appears that all alterations were done by November 28th, probably at Hawkeye Works! The Secret Service in other words were as nefarious as anybody involved in the assassination of JFK! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

It appears that all alterations were done by November 28th

 :D :D
And what proof do you have that any alterations were made?
Doesn't it bother you that you don't have a scrap of credible evidence that any alterations were made?

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2023, 06:31:53 PM »
It appears that all alterations were done by November 28th

 :D :D
And what proof do you have that any alterations were made?
Doesn't it bother you that you don't have a scrap of credible evidence that any alterations were made?

    Have you ever taken a look at the NIX FILM which shows Elm St running UPHILL?? Or the NIX FILM which shows a man in a WHITE SHIRT running up The Steps immediately after the Kill Shot.  And for some strange reason the Original NIX FILM has been MIA for decades. Mmmmmmmm

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Re: Josiah Thompson - Who Was the Umbrella Man?
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