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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2023, 12:56:15 AM »
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I originally thought that the far storm sewer drain at the junction of the end of the picket fence and the concrete bridge abutment (triple overpass) was the most probable place for a GK shooter.

There are photos that show that cars were parked all around this area which could conceal a shooter in a ground level posture , possibly even while he was standing IN the sewer pipe!

But the problem became the angle of the shot would be very difficult to have hit the right side of JFKs head, because of how JFK had slumped slightly towards Jackie after the Z223-225 shot.

There was coincidentally if I recall, a man who was detained very shortly after shots fired , at the other end of that storm drain that opened up to a stream. No rifle was found in the storm drain, but the man could have put the rifle in the trunk of one of the cars before he used the drain like to escape.

It would also be a way for the gunman to approach , unseen, to the GK carrying a rifle by entering the drain far back where the opening near the stream was.

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2023, 09:27:01 AM »
    I never said you could, "see the end of the picket fence". That guy/kid on Towner 3 is not at, "the end of the fence".

You seem a bit befuddled Royell. This is from your Reply#34:

"...we also see the (N) end of the picket fence."

And this is from your Reply#40:

"Not only do we see the (N) end of the Picket Fence..."

You repeatedly reference seeing the end of the picket fence and now you deny all knowledge of it.
Just for future reference, this forum is a written record, the things you post don't just disappear, they can be retrieved at any moment.
Also, learn how words work, it will be very useful for your research and when trying to convey your half-baked ideas.
For example, your notion that the person in the picture is stood directly next to the picket fence is utterly ludicrous. It is a truly half-baked notion, particularly as you have been shown multiple images of the area in question which demonstrate, beyond doubt, that there is nothing for anyone to stand on.
What you clearly don't grasp is that the person is a lot closer to you than you think. It's called "Perspective".
Not only do you need to learn how words work, you need to learn how perspective works.

I hope you've got enough to keep yourself busy there - lots to learn. It's good to keep your mind active at your clearly advanced age.

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2023, 01:52:50 PM »
You seem a bit befuddled Royell. This is from your Reply#34:

"...we also see the (N) end of the picket fence."

And this is from your Reply#40:

"Not only do we see the (N) end of the Picket Fence..."

You repeatedly reference seeing the end of the picket fence and now you deny all knowledge of it.
Just for future reference, this forum is a written record, the things you post don't just disappear, they can be retrieved at any moment.
Also, learn how words work, it will be very useful for your research and when trying to convey your half-baked ideas.
For example, your notion that the person in the picture is stood directly next to the picket fence is utterly ludicrous. It is a truly half-baked notion, particularly as you have been shown multiple images of the area in question which demonstrate, beyond doubt, that there is nothing for anyone to stand on.
What you clearly don't grasp is that the person is a lot closer to you than you think. It's called "Perspective".
Not only do you need to learn how words work, you need to learn how perspective works.

I hope you've got enough to keep yourself busy there - lots to learn. It's good to keep your mind active at your clearly advanced age.

    If I had meant the literal end of the fence, I would have explicitly said the VERY END of the fence.  My referencing the "(N) end of the fence" is akin to referencing the "(N) end of a town or block or state". This doesn't translate into "last house on the block" or the literal "boundary line" between towns or states or even countries.
    Regarding the "closeness" of this person on the picket fence in Towner 3, the picket fence is NOT close to that shelter opening/steps/abutment. And again, that individual is going to have to be positioned with his back to the camera. This means he would be standing SIDEWAYS on the Shelter Steps or Abutment. Placing this individual SIDEWAYS on the VERY top step would place a portion of his body INSIDE the shelter vs our seeing open space between him and the edge of the shelter on Towner 3. The lower you place this person on the shelter steps or even that abutment, the HIGHER you are throwing him up onto the picket fence in order to have the top of the picket fence at just above his knees. Keeping in mind the distance and upward projection you are claiming to move this individual via "perspective", instead brings to mind catapulting him up against the picket fence. Nonsensical.     
« Last Edit: October 27, 2023, 03:30:02 PM by Royell Storing »

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Offline James Hackerott

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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2023, 01:48:14 AM »
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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2023, 09:18:01 AM »
Marilyn Sitzman on S Pergola 2nd step 3D sims



And that's the end of that.
Great work, yet again, James.

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2023, 12:08:41 PM »
And that's the end of that.
Great work, yet again, James.

Hi James and Dan, This is a man not a woman. He is not wearing a head scarf. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2023, 01:30:29 PM »

  As I continue to point out, Towner 3 shows the TOP of the picket fence/pickets to be just above the guy/kid's knees. The provided cartoon has those pickets almost waist high. And the knees clear up to the mid torso are leaning over/INSIDE the shelter, vs Towner 3 showing open space/a gap between the guy/kid's body and the Shelter. Why is a Sitzman knock-off being utilized here? I've never heard Sitzman talk of being in this position or viewed an image of her in this spot.   

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2023, 06:29:48 PM »


I'm going to try some 3D here but need some measurements, even if best guess. The "6'" in the graphic refers to the height of the figure standing on the sidewalk.

I've heard the fence height might be 4.5 feet high, but Cutler and 1981 "Topo Map" says it was five-feet high. I'm using the latter. I made the fence boards 5.5" wide, which is a dressed lumber width and have a 1/4" gap between them.


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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2023, 06:29:48 PM »