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Offline Fergus O'Brien

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« Reply #112 on: December 26, 2023, 02:43:29 PM »
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responsibility ? meaning duty ? .but they also had a responsibility to protect the President first and fore most . and a duty to adhere to all secret service rules and protocols . they broke those rules in the small hours by all but abandoning the President and going drinking . we can see in Altgens that LBJs agents acted pretty quick to protect him .in JFKs case the only one to react was hill , and he was Jackies agent not the presidents . he put himself as they say in harms way , he could have been hit and killed .what ever else we might say about him now , in those tragic seconds he was a hero . he protected Jackie and tried to help JFK .having decided to take those two turns from main to houston , houston to elm knowing how much the limo would slow they should have had agents either side of the rear of the limo before those two turns .hill in that respect was dong this at different times along the route .but i will say yes their responsibility was both to protect and stay with JFK , they completed half of that , they went to parkland with him .

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« Reply #113 on: December 26, 2023, 02:50:02 PM »
   You're talking about "prevention". I'm talking about "apprehension". The SS did absolutely Nothing but flee the crime scene and steal the body of JFK after the Kill Shot. It does Not get any weaker than that.
   

The job of the SS is to protect.   It was the job of the police to apprehend the suspect.  Which they did.  It is ridiculous to characterize the actions of the SS as fleeing the crime scene,  You are suggesting that they should have stopped the car in the kill zone and all jumped out like in a cartoon to search for a suspect?  Leaving the injured president sitting in the car.  They were taking the president to the hospital.  Just as they should have done.  There was nothing sinister about this. 

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« Reply #114 on: December 26, 2023, 03:42:11 PM »
The job of the SS is to protect.   It was the job of the police to apprehend the suspect.  Which they did.  It is ridiculous to characterize the actions of the SS as fleeing the crime scene,  You are suggesting that they should have stopped the car in the kill zone and all jumped out like in a cartoon to search for a suspect?  Leaving the injured president sitting in the car.  They were taking the president to the hospital.  Just as they should have done.  There was nothing sinister about this.

   If we are to believe the SS, they have a LIMO behind JFK packed with SS Agents to the point of spilling out onto the vehicle's running boards, and NOT a single SS Agent can leave the vehicle to take CONTROL of the crime scene? Really? Common practice is for a single assassin to have a SPOTTER/WING MAN. Yet, here we have an entire LIMO jammed with SS Agents and they remain inside the vehicle as it flees the scene? I never said this was "sinister". What it is is "cowardice". These same big brawny guys had no problem with physically pushing Avg Joe's around at Parkland Hospital in order to steal the body of JFK. Yet, under fire inside Dealey Plaza they ALL ran like dogs. That is about as Cowardly as it gets.
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« Reply #115 on: December 26, 2023, 04:04:10 PM »
   If we are to believe the SS, they have a LIMO behind JFK packed with SS Agents to the point of spilling out onto the vehicle's running boards, and NOT a single SS Agent can leave the vehicle to take CONTROL of the crime scene? Really? Common practice is for a single assassin to have a SPOTTER/WING MAN. Yet, here we have an entire LIMO jammed with SS Agents and they remain inside the vehicle as it flees the scene? I never said this was "sinister". What it is is "cowardice". These same big brawny guys had no problem with physically pushing Avg Joe's around at Parkland Hospital in order to steal the body of JFK. Yet, under fire inside Dealey Plaza they ALL ran like dogs. That is about as Cowardly as it gets.

Again, their responsibility was to stay with the President.

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« Reply #116 on: December 26, 2023, 04:28:09 PM »
Again, their responsibility was to stay with the President.

    And your SOURCE for the Claim, "STAY With the President" above? 
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« Reply #117 on: December 26, 2023, 06:33:54 PM »
Fergus o'brien wrote: i am aware shall we say of perhaps some pressure being put on (Dr. Malcolm Perry) to sort of back track if you will, in terms of the throat wound being an entrance wound. and later he would as we know change and say it could have been either exit or entrance . i would be very interested in any information you have, which you spoke of. any video , film , statements by perry etc on this matter...

Hello, Fergus!  There is a ton of information online about the crime that the U.S. government committed against Dr. Malcolm Perry.  One of the best articles, "The Ordeal of Malcolm Perry," was written by James DiEugenio.  It can be found at the "Kennedys and King" web site, here. 
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-ordeal-of-malcolm-perry

A few quotes from this excellent article.  "Dr. Kemp Clark, chief of neurosurgery—the man who actually pronounced Kennedy dead—said he observed a large gaping hole in the rear of Kennedy’s skull. (Michael Benson, Who’s Who in the JFK Assassination, p. 80) Dr. Malcolm Perry, who cut a tracheostomy across the bullet wound in Kennedy’s neck, said that the wound was one of entrance. (James DiEugenio, The JFK Assassination: The Evidence Today, p. 367)"

Continuing from the article, "Some strange things happened with (the Nov. 22 Parkland press conference). First of all, there is no film available of it today, which is remarkable in and of itself, because, as one can see from pictures and film snippets, there were many reporters in that conference room. It is very hard to comprehend how not one of them called for a film camera to cover the initial public pronouncement of President Kennedy’s death. Second, initially, the Secret Service told the Warren Commission that they did not even have a transcript of this conference. According to former Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) analyst Doug Horne, there are two real problems with the Secret Service saying this. First, according to Horne, the Secret Service went around collecting the films of this press conference. Thus making it disappear. (See Horne at Future of Freedom Foundation conference of May 18th. This is at the FFF web site.)
But further, the Secret Service lied to the Commission about having the transcript..."

Yes, extreme pressure was applied to Dr. Perry by the feds to get him to publicly modify his "entrance wound" statement. But, privately, he never really changed his mind. And this pressure (i.e. threats) began within an hour of the assassination. So shortly after the assassination, no one had yet done an investigation of the crime scene. How could anyone possibly know the hole in the front of JFK's throat was, or was not, an entrance wound? Clearly, the SS pressure on Dr. Perry was not based on forensics or science. It was based on objectives or information that is still being denied to the American people today.                                                     

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« Reply #118 on: December 26, 2023, 09:07:39 PM »
    And your SOURCE for the Claim, "STAY With the President" above?

 Special Agent Lem Johns interviewed in 2005: “Our job is not to investigate. Our only job is to remove the vice president from danger.” The same responsibilities would apply to agents assigned to the President.

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« Reply #119 on: December 27, 2023, 01:32:40 AM »
Special Agent Lem Johns interviewed in 2005: “Our job is not to investigate. Our only job is to remove the vice president from danger.” The same responsibilities would apply to agents assigned to the President.

       "REMOVE" anyone from "DANGER" can Quickly be done by Eliminating The Threat. (2) Who said anything about "Investigate"? Investigate happens well after the "danger" is eliminated. They would Not even let Lt Day inside the TSBD to do his CSI work until the building had been "cleared" of a possible shooter.
        Who interviewed SA Lem Johns? He is a highly controversial figure. He claimed to have jumped out of the LBJ SS Car and then ran down Elm St toward the JFK Limo. Yet, there is Not 1 single image of his doing this or any Elm St eyewitnesses that said they witnessed his doing any of this.