The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Martin Weidmann]

Huh? the most logical answer is Oswald took an unplanned trip mid week to Oswald's rifle then Oswald took Oswald's rifle to Oswald's work or some unseen, unconfirmed and still 60 years later unknown conspirators did, your choice but choose wisely.

JohnM

the most logical answer is Oswald took an unplanned trip mid week to Oswald's rifle then Oswald took Oswald's rifle to Oswald's work

Are you drunk?

[John Mytton]

Before this thread is further contaminated, Bump for Zeon!

Problem is, Mr.Mytton, that the bag doesn’t fit , so you must acquit and it’s even worse than OJ because really there’s dozens of people who have stated Oswald liked JFK and generally approved  of JFK so Oswald’s motive questionable than the very strong motive that OJ had.

What?

The bag does fit.



The bag contained Oswald's prints.

there’s dozens of people who have stated Oswald liked JFK and generally approved  of JFK

Dozens? Name them!

JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

Well there’s a thread over at the Education /JFK forum  60 points for conspiracy, where there’s listed about a dozen persons, including people like Oswald’s good friend George DeM , with quotes about how Oswald generally liked JFK.. so I’m not really tech savy  on how to cut and paste from that thread to this forum or even if that’s allowed or not.

I’m using internet thru my dumb phone rather than a computer si maybe Mr. W could help me out here and knows how to cut and paste from that other forum thread to help me out here, so that Mr Mytton won’t think im just making this up

[John Mytton]

Well there’s a thread over at the Education /JFK forum  60 points for conspiracy, where there’s listed about a dozen persons, including people like Oswald’s good friend George DeM , with quotes about how Oswald generally liked JFK.. so I’m not really tech savy  on how to cut and paste from that thread to this forum or even if that’s allowed or not.

I’m using internet thru my dumb phone rather than a computer si maybe Mr. W could help me out here and knows how to cut and paste from that other forum thread to help me out here, so that Mr Mytton won’t think im just making this up

where there’s listed about a dozen persons

So we've gone from dozens back to a dozen, Okey dokey.

But even if Oswald thought that at one time the sun shone out of Kennedy's behind, how does that affect Oswald months later?

For instance we know that in the paper just days before the assassination that Kennedy wanted to oust Fidell and we also know that it's most likely that Oswald's alias Hidell" was based on "Fidel"

I think that Oswald's(Hidell) main motivation was his wanting to be accepted as a Marxist and any political leader that spoke ill of Fidel Castro was put on Oswald's hit list, CT's claim that the left Kennedy and the extreme right Walker had no connection but I believe that in Oswald's eyes, what connected Kennedy and Walker was their dislike of the Cuban regime.

Fritz was the one of the last people to spend considerable time with Oswald.

Mr. DULLES. Have you any views of your own as to motive from your talks with him? Did you get any clues as to possible motive in assassinating the President?
Mr. FRITZ. I can only tell you what little I know now. I am sure that we have people in Washington here that can tell far more than I can.
Mr. DULLES. Well, you saw the man and the others didn't see the man.
Mr. FRITZ. I got the impression, I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.
(At this point the Chief Justice entered the hearing room.)

Mr. FRITZ. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, I think he had--he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that.

Oswald in New Orleans handing out "Hands off Cuba" leaflets





Oswald's "Fair play for Cuba" membership card where he was also the Chapter President.



Three days before Oswald killed Kennedy, there was this newspaper article in the Dallas Times Herald of Kennedy saying that it would be a happy day if the Castro government was ousted.



Oswald's personal possessions had a number of positive Castro literature.



A week after the Dallas Herald Times reported that Walker wanted to  "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba" Oswald ordered his rifle and not long after Oswald took surveillance photos of General Walkers house and a little later Oswald tried to kill General Walker.

In February 1963, Walker joined Billy Hargis on an anti-communist tour named "Operation Midnight Ride".[24] In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."[25] Seven days later, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a Carcano rifle by mail, using the alias "A. Hidell".[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker



Just my 2 cents, but do the Math!

JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

Ok, then for Oswalds motive , it’s a combination of failure and disappointment to reconcile his marriage PLUS a feeling of betrayal? perceiving JFK having apparently reversed his position about cooperation with USSR with a newspaper report?

So basically Oswald just lost all hope at this point in time which then turned to anger at the JFK whom  Oswald had perhaps at one time admired only to perceive JFK at the later time after presumably Oswald reading the paper, that JFK was just the same as Walker, ie.. just another Fascist whom should be shot?

Maybe… if he was Bipolar / schizophrenic which there’s some plausibility to that but just do not have any science like Royal s team to prove it just yet

[John Mytton]

Ok, then for Oswalds motive , it’s a combination of failure and disappointment to reconcile his marriage PLUS a feeling of betrayal? perceiving JFK having apparently reversed his position about cooperation with USSR with a newspaper report?

So basically Oswald just lost all hope at this point in time which then turned to anger at the JFK whom  Oswald had perhaps at one time admired only to perceive JFK at the later time after presumably Oswald reading the paper, that JFK was just the same as Walker, ie.. just another Fascist whom should be shot?

Maybe… if he was Bipolar / schizophrenic which there’s some plausibility to that but just do not have any science like Royal s team to prove it just yet

You can also add that Oswald didn't treasure his life.

1. In Oswald's Historic Diary he admits to attempting suicide.
2. In the Walker Note he indicates that he may die in a shootout with Police.
3. At the Texas Theatre, pulling a out a gun and pulling the trigger on so many armed Police, was a definite attempt of suicide by cop, but luckily the Dallas Police wanted this Son of a Gun alive.

JohnM

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Ok, then for Oswalds motive , it’s a combination of failure and disappointment to reconcile his marriage PLUS a feeling of betrayal? perceiving JFK having apparently reversed his position about cooperation with USSR with a newspaper report?

So basically Oswald just lost all hope at this point in time which then turned to anger at the JFK whom  Oswald had perhaps at one time admired only to perceive JFK at the later time after presumably Oswald reading the paper, that JFK was just the same as Walker, ie.. just another Fascist whom should be shot?

Maybe… if he was Bipolar / schizophrenic which there’s some plausibility to that but just do not have any science like Royal s team to prove it just yet

If he "liked" JFK so much and was such a political person who kept abreast of political matters, why did he have no interest in what happened to JFK outside the place where he worked? According to all accounts he talked to no co-worker about what happened, he inquired to no one about the events (it was chaos outside the TSBD with people running around) and he showed no interest in listening to the radio or watching TV about news about what happened. Nothing.

He returns to his rooming house where the TV is on providing reports on the assassination. Does he stop and watch it? Talk to Roberts about the latest news? Stay around to find out? No, he leaves to go see a movie.

Again: if he admired JFK and was, as is shown, a political person then why act like this? No interest at all?

As towards his views on JFK and the US. We do have this account from a German visitor who talked with Oswald at a party in February of '63: Volkmar Schmidt.
Schmidt said: "Lee Harvey Oswald brought up in the conversation with me the fact that he really felt very angry about the support which the Kennedy administration gave to the Bay of Pigs invasion. It turned out that Lee Harvey Oswald really idealized socialism of Cuba, while he was critical of the socialism in the Soviet Union. And he was just obsessed with his anger towards Kennedy."

Schmidt was interviewed by the FBI shortly after the assassination and never mentions this. So his account is questionable.

Oswald also reportedly complained to the Soviets when he visited their embassy in Mexico City that the US government was after him, that he was being mistreated and that he needed to carry a revolver to protect himself. He said "I am afraid...they'll kill me!!"

The Schmidt quote is here: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/etc/script.html
The Soviet Embassy statement is here: https://archive.org/details/passporttoassass0000nech/page/76/mode/2up?q=terrible

[John Mytton]

If he "liked" JFK so much and was such a political person who kept abreast of political matters, why did he have no interest in what happened to JFK outside the place where he worked? According to all accounts he talked to no co-worker about what happened, he inquired to no one about the events (it was chaos outside the TSBD with people running around) and he showed no interest in listening to the radio or watching TV about news about what happened. Nothing.

Outstanding Steve, a brilliant irrefutable observation.

And we know where Oswald was, Oswald was on the 6th floor in his Sniper's Nest, aiming his rifle at Kennedy's head and pulling the trigger.

JohnM