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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2023, 10:15:30 AM »
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Jerry can respond for himself but I don't see where he took a side, he simply said you took a beating and from those examples you certainly did. He never said or implied that you won or lost the debate. To argue America's participation in the Vietnam war and what JFK would have done, in the biased environment of the rabid Ed Forum takes some Balls, what sort of reaction did you expect?

In English, if you say someone "took a beating" in a debate, you are saying they lost the debate. I did not even remotely "take a beating" in my exchanges with DiEugenio, Brancato, Wilkinson, Jolliffe, etc. No sentient being who reads my exchanges with them could reach that conclusion. DiEugenio and the few others whom Jerry Organ quoted know very little about the Vietnam War, as anyone can see by reading our exchanges. Anyone who reads those exchanges will see that I caught DiEugenio in numerous severe gaffes about the war, gaffes that are as bad as saying that McGovern won the 1972 election.
 
Btw, I like how DiEugenio started calling you "Mike" you must have really gotten under his skin, like how he changed "David" Von Pein to "Davey"! Hahaha! DiEugenio is such a Big Baby!

That kind of stuff does not bother me. As you say, it shows immaturity. I trounced DiEugenio so badly in our Vietnam exchanges that he resorted to the high-school action of using the forum's "Ignore" function on me so that he doesn't receive notifications if I respond to him.

Re: the Vietnam War, My personal layman's opinion is, we can never truly know what would have happened if JFK stayed alive, but personally I believe that JFK would have done much the same as LBJ because of Kennedy's outspoken belief in the "Domino Theory"

Yes, and that is the position of nearly all JFK scholars. However, DiEugenio and his handful of far-left allies in the Education Forum not only argue that JFK absolutely, positively never would have escalated the war but that JFK was going to unconditionally withdraw from Vietnam after the election. Even most liberal scholars reject this Oliver Stone-Fletcher Prouty claim, as I repeatedly pointed out to DiEugenio and his allies.

BTW, DiEugenio and the others whom Organ quoted are big fans and defenders of the anti-Semitic crackpot L. Fletcher Prouty, who claimed that JFK was killed because he was going to pull out of Vietnam after the election, and that General Ed Lansdale was one of the plotters and was in Dealey Plaza on the day of the shooting. You might also be interested to know that some of the guys whom Organ quoted are also 9/11 Truthers, i.e., they believe that 9/11 was an inside job, that the WTC towers were brought down with "controlled demolitions," etc.
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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2023, 10:15:30 AM »


Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2023, 04:55:40 PM »

  John - I know you have your reason(s) for continually posting that JFK Limo scale drawing, but you need to realize that drawing does place Gov Connally DIRECTLY in front of JFK.

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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2023, 04:20:09 AM »
  John - I know you have your reason(s) for continually posting that JFK Limo scale drawing, but you need to realize that drawing does place Gov Connally DIRECTLY in front of JFK.

Geez Louise, as usual you're absolutely right, at the chosen Zapruder frame 383, Hill has teleported from the Queen Mary onto the rear of JFK's Limo and Jackie has phased a few feet back and to the right and as you alluded to, Kennedy is lying down and his head is left of centre and Connally is also closer to lying on his left side!!!!
Maybe you can post a new graphic and rectify my glaring mistakes? I'll be eternally grateful, thanks in advance!



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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2023, 04:20:09 AM »


Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #75 on: December 17, 2023, 03:11:38 PM »
  When you post a visual aid such as above, You also should consider other issues it might call into question or Prove. Up to you, but if you want to continually shoot yourself in the foot, go right ahead.
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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2023, 02:26:24 AM »
  When you post a visual aid such as above, You also should consider other issues it might call into question or Prove. Up to you, but if you want to continually shoot yourself in the foot, go right ahead.

Huh? As usual you're not making a speck of sense? I trust that the members and readers with an IQ above 7 realize the purpose of a basic plan diagram and not for one second assumed that the seated Kennedy and Connally were statue like mannequins! For instance the Zapruder film proves that at the time of the SBF, both men were perfectly aligned all the way back to Oswald and his rifle in Oswald's Sniper's Nest.



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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2023, 02:26:24 AM »


Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #77 on: December 18, 2023, 05:18:00 PM »
Huh? As usual you're not making a speck of sense? I trust that the members and readers with an IQ above 7 realize the purpose of a basic plan diagram and not for one second assumed that the seated Kennedy and Connally were statue like mannequins! For instance the Zapruder film proves that at the time of the SBF, both men were perfectly aligned all the way back to Oswald and his rifle in Oswald's Sniper's Nest.



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     My preference continues to be a Tonka Dump Trunk. They're very durable which is mandatory for disposing of your never ending compost. The above being a perfect example. Once again, we have a SCIENCE DENIER claiming to Know more than SCIENCE.  PS - Try keeping your distance from the airplane glue that was used to assemble your "Scientific" visual aid. 
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Re: Eyewitness Accounts vs. the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Reply #77 on: December 18, 2023, 05:18:00 PM »