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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #152 on: February 25, 2024, 05:03:59 AM »
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Anyone watching in Houston, & then running around & down to watch some more at Elm St, would not properly hear Oswald's first shot at pseudo Z105, they would hear Oswald's shot-2 at Z218, & they would hear Hickey's auto burst at Z300-Z312.
Lemmeeseenow, who could that be ----  ah yes, it could be Altgens, & it could be Bell --- they both said that there were 2 shots.

There was no mistaking or not having heard a shot. This was all tested by the HSCA as part of the Sound Analysis. There was no early missed shot. Altgens is specific as to the first shot he heard and JFK’s reaction. The time element of working the bolt of the carcano becomes insignificant with there having been only two shots. Even in your scenario two shots account for all the wounding. Why do you need to try and explain an additional shot that literally has no point at all?

HSCA Volume VIII: Acoustics Study - Analysis of Earwitness Reports Relating to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (history-matters.com)

4 .3 Loudness and Apparent Size of Acoustic Image

 All observers rated the rifle shots as very very loud, and they were unable to understand how they could have been described as a firecracker or backfire . Only the pistol, which was subsonic, produced a moderate loudness . Practically all the rifle shots, whether fired from the knoll or the TSBD, appeared to be diffuse and to occupy a very large acoustic space . For example, the sound did not seem to come from the sixth floor window of the TSBD, but from the right upper side of the building. This apparently large source location may be a result of acoustic scatter of the muzzle blast - either because of the building in the case of the TSBD or because of the trees in the case of the knoll . Only the pistol shot appears to have a reasonably constrained acoustic image and, for that reason, could be localized with some precision .

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
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« Reply #153 on: February 25, 2024, 05:11:53 AM »
So when you said:

“ That is just a patently false statement. Both Nellie and JBC clearly relate that JBC was hit by the first shot. So did DPD Hargis as well as Bill Newman.
Seriously it is time to clue in Andrew.”

in response to my assertion that the Connallys said that JBC was hit in the back by the second shot, you really meant that I was just cherry-picking their statements?

Ok. So perhaps you can direct us to the statements that were omitted when I cherry-picked them.
I could post it again as has been done numerous times. What would be the point if you continually demonstrate you are either unable or unwilling to understand them. It will not seem like such a waste of time if you would demonstrate you can read these witnesses statements and understand them by posting what has been explained to you endlessly.  Jackie and Nellie both confirm JBC's statement or is that the confusing part.

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« Reply #154 on: February 25, 2024, 05:22:40 AM »
Do you mean that first “horrible ear-shattering noise” as Mary Woodward described the first of three shots she heard as the President’s car passed where she was standing?

Nice work. Why don't you quote the rest of her statement. It too has been posted for you endlessly. Even though her statement to the Dallas Morning News is a little hazy, you have identified the only eyewitness in Dealey Plaza who places the second shot as the throat shot confirming SBT. Then followed by the headshot. She also states the second shot does not take place until after JFK turns forward which is after Z207. Maybe she is not such a shiny witness for your theory.

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« Reply #154 on: February 25, 2024, 05:22:40 AM »


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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #155 on: February 25, 2024, 09:31:26 AM »
There was no mistaking or not having heard a shot. This was all tested by the HSCA as part of the Sound Analysis. There was no early missed shot. Altgens is specific as to the first shot he heard and JFK’s reaction. The time element of working the bolt of the carcano becomes insignificant with there having been only two shots. Even in your scenario two shots account for all the wounding. Why do you need to try and explain an additional shot that literally has no point at all?

HSCA Volume VIII: Acoustics Study - Analysis of Earwitness Reports Relating to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (history-matters.com)

4 .3 Loudness and Apparent Size of Acoustic Image

 All observers rated the rifle shots as very very loud, and they were unable to understand how they could have been described as a firecracker or backfire . Only the pistol, which was subsonic, produced a moderate loudness . Practically all the rifle shots, whether fired from the knoll or the TSBD, appeared to be diffuse and to occupy a very large acoustic space . For example, the sound did not seem to come from the sixth floor window of the TSBD, but from the right upper side of the building. This apparently large source location may be a result of acoustic scatter of the muzzle blast - either because of the building in the case of the TSBD or because of the trees in the case of the knoll . Only the pistol shot appears to have a reasonably constrained acoustic image and, for that reason, could be localized with some precision .
Bell we know was jumping down from his perch (where he had taken his first sequence) at pseudo Z105. He then either galloped around the end of the peristyle & onto the grass below the peristyle, or, he took up a position still in the peristyle (looking down onto Elm St), or, he jumped down from the peristyle onto the garden bed below the peristyle (& he then took his second sequence). Anyhow, Bell was bouncing or galloping when Oswald fired his shot-1 at pseudo Z105.
Atlgens probly ran down along Main past the peristyle, & the peristyle was probly between Altgens & Oswald at shot-1. And Altgens was galloping for sure. So, Altgens did not hear shot-1. Or, as per a hundred other gawkers, he did hear but later forgot.

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #156 on: February 25, 2024, 04:46:44 PM »
Bell we know was jumping down from his perch (where he had taken his first sequence) at pseudo Z105. He then either galloped around the end of the peristyle & onto the grass below the peristyle, or, he took up a position still in the peristyle (looking down onto Elm St), or, he jumped down from the peristyle onto the garden bed below the peristyle (& he then took his second sequence). Anyhow, Bell was bouncing or galloping when Oswald fired his shot-1 at pseudo Z105.
Atlgens probly ran down along Main past the peristyle, & the peristyle was probly between Altgens & Oswald at shot-1. And Altgens was galloping for sure. So, Altgens did not hear shot-1. Or, as per a hundred other gawkers, he did hear but later forgot.

I doubt forgot. Altgens news flash of two shots was read on air within minutes of the assassination.

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #157 on: February 26, 2024, 12:43:19 AM »
I could post it again as has been done numerous times. What would be the point if you continually demonstrate you are either unable or unwilling to understand them. It will not seem like such a waste of time if you would demonstrate you can read these witnesses statements and understand them by posting what has been explained to you endlessly.  Jackie and Nellie both confirm JBC's statement or is that the confusing part.
I don’t need you to post them. I just need the cites for JBC’s statements saying he was hit in the back on the first shot-the ones you chastised me for not mentioning.

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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #158 on: February 26, 2024, 01:03:25 AM »
Nice work. Why don't you quote the rest of her statement. It too has been posted for you endlessly. Even though her statement to the Dallas Morning News is a little hazy, you have identified the only eyewitness in Dealey Plaza who places the second shot as the throat shot confirming SBT. Then followed by the headshot. She also states the second shot does not take place until after JFK turns forward which is after Z207. Maybe she is not such a shiny witness for your theory.
Mary Woodward said the first shot occurred after she waved to the President as he approached them and after he acknowledged them by turning toward them and waving. There is only one sequence where that happens and it is the turn from about z170 to 193.

She said she did not think that JFK was hit by the first shot, although many others said he reacted. But she also said that the last two shots were close together.  She described the last two shots as overlapping - the sound of the first of those last two had not died out when the last one sounded. She said the last shot hit him in the head.

Unfortunately she was never questioned. However, it is apparent that she described the second shot as occurring less than 5 seconds before the head shot.  JFK is already reacting 5 seconds before the head shot. That necessarily means JFK was hit by the first shot
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Re: The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What
« Reply #159 on: February 26, 2024, 03:16:19 PM »
Mary Woodward said the first shot occurred after she waved to the President as he approached them and after he acknowledged them by turning toward them and waving. There is only one sequence where that happens and it is the turn from about z170 to 193.

She said she did not think that JFK was hit by the first shot, although many others said he reacted. But she also said that the last two shots were close together.  She described the last two shots as overlapping - the sound of the first of those last two had not died out when the last one sounded. She said the last shot hit him in the head.

Unfortunately she was never questioned. However, it is apparent that she described the second shot as occurring less than 5 seconds before the head shot.  JFK is already reacting 5 seconds before the head shot. That necessarily means JFK was hit by the first shot

It is obvious why you want to distance yourself from what Mary Woodward stated, because she completely craps on your whole storyline. You could not have picked a worse witness to quote. The only eyewitness to state the first shot missed and she does place the first shot as having occurred after z207.

Dallas Morning News 11/23-.-Mary Woodward

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“After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to our right.”.... “I don’t believe anyone was hit by the first bullet”....

Once again JFK does not face forward again until after Z207


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« Reply #159 on: February 26, 2024, 03:16:19 PM »