Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory

[Dan O'meara]

You think Fischer includes a T-shirt with no collar as an open collar shirt??



I don’t just have the opinion, I know it as a fact. Read the transcript of Fischer’s testimony.


“And he had--he had on an open-neck shirt, but it-uh--could have been a sport shirt or a T-shirt. It was light in color; probably white”,

He said it very clearly and precisely. No interpretation needed. However, the term is an “open-neck shirt”. I apparently got sloppy with my words by saying open collar. Please forgive me.

 

I like the way you say Fischer said it "very clearly and precisely" and then admit he said something completely different 
Let's just agree to disagree.
Meanwhile back at the ranch...what do you think of Oswald using Shelley as an excuse.
This is an incredibly important aspect of the case as it represents the only testable part of Oswald's alibi for his movements that day.
Why do you think he introduced Shelley into it?

[Charles Collins]

 

I like the way you say Fischer said it "very clearly and precisely" and then admit he said something completely different 
Let's just agree to disagree.
Meanwhile back at the ranch...what do you think of Oswald using Shelley as an excuse.
This is an incredibly important aspect of the case as it represents the only testable part of Oswald's alibi for his movements that day.
Why do you think he introduced Shelley into it?

Both Fischer and Edward’s describe an open neck shirt. It is you who is trying to claim that they described clothing that LHO didn’t own. That simply isn’t true. It is only your, apparently biased, interpretation/opinion.

[Dan O'meara]

Both Fischer and Edward’s describe an open neck shirt. It is you who is trying to claim that they described clothing that LHO didn’t own. That simply isn’t true. It is only your, apparently biased, interpretation/opinion.

So, what do you think about Oswald naming Shelley?
Do you have an opinion about that?

[Charles Collins]

So, what do you think about Oswald naming Shelley?
Do you have an opinion about that?

The record shows that LHO was a compulsive liar. He lied about many items that could easily be checked. Even when there was no apparent reason to lie. In my opinion, this was just another fabrication and has no significant meaning to me.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

The record shows that LHO was a compulsive liar. He lied about many items that could easily be checked. Even when there was no apparent reason to lie. In my opinion, this was just another fabrication and has no significant meaning to me.

This claim that Oswald was told by Shelley that it was okay to leave and that's why he did so is simply, for me, not supportable. Apparently the source for this is this FBI report (neither Fritz nor Hosty mention this Oswald/Shelley conversation):



Full source/link: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/pdf/WR_A11_ReportsDPD.pdf pg. 619

So this account says that in Oswald's opinion that based on Shelley's remarks no more work would be done. Nothing about Shelley actually saying this, nothing about Shelley saying it was okay to leave. Furthermore, if Oswald is out there with Shelley then he, Oswald, can simply ask if it's okay to leave. But he didn't. He just took off. And no other worker took off at that time.

Added: Oswald can say here that he's not lying. He thought, based on Shelley's remarks, that because no more work would be done he could leave. The fact that Shelley was in the next room wouldn't prevent him from making this claim. Again, he apparently said it was just his opinion.

Unless there's another source that I'm missing this idea that he left based on Shelley's explicit permission is not supportable.

[Charles Collins]

This claim that Oswald was told by Shelley that it was okay to leave and that's why he did so is simply, for me, not supportable. Apparently the source for this is this FBI report (neither Fritz nor Hosty mention this Oswald/Shelley conversation):



Full source/link: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/pdf/WR_A11_ReportsDPD.pdf pg. 619

So this account says that in Oswald's opinion that based on Shelley's remarks no more work would be done. Nothing about Shelley actually saying this, nothing about Shelley saying it was okay to leave. Furthermore, if Oswald is out there with Shelley then he, Oswald, can simply ask if it's okay to leave. But he didn't. He just took off. And no other worker took off at that time.

Added: Oswald can say here that he's not lying. He thought, based on Shelley's remarks, that because no more work would be done he could leave. The fact that Shelley was in the next room wouldn't prevent him from making this claim. Again, he apparently said it was just his opinion.

Unless there's another source that I'm missing this idea that he left based on Shelley's explicit permission is not supportable.

Thanks Steve, I skimmed through some of those reports. It is interesting to me that both Bookhout and Kelly indicated that LHO said that he changed his both his shirt and his pants when he went to the rooming house.

[Fergus O'Brien]

You're absolutely right, Richard.

Most of those polled who supposedly believe the assassination was the result of a conspiracy don't know a damn thing about the case at all.  They don't know names like Ruth Paine, J.D. Tippit, Howard Brennan and Buell Frazier.  They only know terms like "grassy knoll' and "magic bullet".

ive spoken with a raft of LN over the years who dont know peoples names , or know them badly example TIBBITS . i knew an LN who stated he was an american history teacher and that he taught a course on the assassination . he posted a photo of Brennan sat on the while wall directly facing the depository and he stated that the photo was taken at 12.30 on november 22 1963 . i pointed out that he was wrong and he attacked me . i posted a photo (a still ) of brennan sat in his actual position on the wall , he said it was a fake , not only that but that i faked it lol . i asked him what was going on at 12.30 that tragic day in that tragic place ? . i pointed out that there was obviously a motorcade and that JFK and Jackie drove right in front of Brennan while sat on the wall , that there was a large crowd . NONE OF WHICH ARE SEEN IN HIS PHOTO . why ? because it was not taken that tragic day but months later in 1964 . and that is an LN who is a history teacher teaching a class on this subject , i feel sorry for any students he has . so yes while it can be argued that some people who believe in conspiracy have not properly researched i can assure you that the same applies to LN . but i dont judge all LNs because some have not properly researched , plenty of LN have properly researched Bill , you are one of them , so you are aware of this . and plenty of so called CT also have properly researched .and we both know that you are all too aware of that also .

also as you have never spoken to MOST of the people polled in any poll it is safe to say you dont know a single thing about them .you certainly are qualified to speak about those you know or have spoken with / debated with over the years (i imagine its quite a few after all these years ) and offer an opinion on them . when i speak i speak about those i have spoken with or debated over the years also , not about those i have never met in my life .

[Dan O'meara]

This claim that Oswald was told by Shelley that it was okay to leave and that's why he did so is simply, for me, not supportable. Apparently the source for this is this FBI report (neither Fritz nor Hosty mention this Oswald/Shelley conversation):



Full source/link: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/pdf/WR_A11_ReportsDPD.pdf pg. 619

So this account says that in Oswald's opinion that based on Shelley's remarks no more work would be done. Nothing about Shelley actually saying this, nothing about Shelley saying it was okay to leave. Furthermore, if Oswald is out there with Shelley then he, Oswald, can simply ask if it's okay to leave. But he didn't. He just took off. And no other worker took off at that time.

Added: Oswald can say here that he's not lying. He thought, based on Shelley's remarks, that because no more work would be done he could leave. The fact that Shelley was in the next room wouldn't prevent him from making this claim. Again, he apparently said it was just his opinion.

Unless there's another source that I'm missing this idea that he left based on Shelley's explicit permission is not supportable.

This claim that Oswald was told by Shelley that it was okay to leave and that's why he did so is simply, for me, not supportable.

Unless there's another source that I'm missing this idea that he left based on Shelley's explicit permission is not supportable.

Who is making this claim that Shelley told Oswald it was okay to leave? Who is saying Shelley gave Oswald "explicit permission"?
I'm not aware of anyone making this claim so I'm not sure why you feel the need to make a big deal out of it.
The point being made is that Oswald told his interrogators that, at some point after his encounter with Baker in the second floor lunchroom, he got together with Bill Shelley and had some kind of conversation with him. Oswald tells his interrogators he decides to go home as a result of this conversation.

Do you agree Oswald told his interrogators that he had some kind of interaction with Bill Shelley before he left the TSBD building?

The question isn't whether this interaction really happened or not. The question is whether or not Oswald told his interrogators he had this interaction with Bill Shelley (and there is plenty of evidence indicating that he did tell them this).
Which is really weird.
It is really weird that Oswald would specifically name Shelley when he didn't have to. Oswald had no need to bring Shelley into his explanation because, if he was lying, he knew that it could be easily checked out. If Oswald is trying to paint himself as this innocent guy who had nothing to do with the assassination why would he bring an element into his story that could instantly show he was lying. Why didn't he just say that he went home without talking to anybody?
To try an explain it by saying Oswald was a liar makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't address the issue in any way.

Oswald was a lot of things but he wasn't stupid.
Although an anti-social mumbling loner to most of his work colleagues, on his TV appearance in New Orleans and, in particular, his radio interviews [which can be found here - https://oswald-on-the-radio.blogspot.com/ ], Oswald comes across as an intelligent and articulate man. I imagine that teaching yourself Russian is no mean feat and requires a certain degree of brain power. So, we can drop the idea that he was so stupid he wouldn't realise that his alibi for leaving the TSBD building would be checked.
We can also drop the idea Oswald was panicking and just blurted out the first thing that came to his mind. In his WC testimony, Fritz makes the point that, to a large extent, Oswald was controlling how the interrogation progressed. It makes such an impression on Fritz that he asks Oswald whether he has had any training in interrogation techniques:

Mr. Fritz: You know I didn't have trouble with him. If we would just talk to him quietly like we are talking right now, we talked all right until I asked him a question that meant something, every time I asked him a question that meant something, that would produce evidence he immediately told me he wouldn't tell me about it and he seemed to anticipate what I was going to ask. In fact, he got so good at it one time, I asked him if he had had any training, if he hadn't been questioned before.
Mr. Dulles: Questioned before?
Mr. Fritz: Questioned before, and he said that he had, he said yes, the FBI questioned him when he came back from Russia for a long time and they tried different methods. He said they tried the buddy boy method and thorough method, and let me see some other method he told me and he said, "I understand that."

So, Oswald is an intelligent man who is comfortable in an interrogation situation. He had absolutely no intention of appearing guilty in any way. So why introduce this element that could so easily have been checked by simply asking Shelley whether it happened or not. Why would he lie about this if it could easily be discovered that he was lying, which would make him look guilty. Something he was trying to avoid.