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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2024, 10:59:29 PM »
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    Just how many actual Neo-Nazi's are there in the USA? How many KKK members? How many Poor Boys are roaming around? Until any of this is legitimately "quantified", it is purely a scare tactic. 

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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2024, 01:34:39 AM »
The point is that, contrary to the claim made by Royell Storing, Biden did not take down any of Trump's wall.  Rather, construction that had already been funded and started continued.  This was not what Biden wanted.  All I said was that if it was such a great wall, how could there be anyone getting across it? That was sarcasm.  The wall itself is next to useless without adequately funded border patrols.  The idea is to ensure that crossings only occur at border posts, which is what the law requires.  But if that was what Republicans wanted, they should not have voted down the bipartisan bill.  In fact, Republican's don't want the problem solved. They want to create fear of "illegal aliens" for political advantage and then, after they get into power, crib up "statistics" to make the fear go away.
You seem to have bought the Trump lies.  Do you also think Haitian immigrants are eating dogs in Springfield?  Funny how that rumour was started by neo-nazis who had previously marched in Springfield to oppose immigration.

The Dems fought the wall tooth and nail.  They used every resource to ensure it wasn't built.  They sued Trump.  They tried to defund the building of the wall.  They claimed he was racist.  A wall works.  How do we know this?  They put one up around the Dem convention to keep people out.  They have one around the WH to keep people out.  Do they stop 100% of the people who might want to cross?  No, but it is better than allowing them to run across a wide-open border.  Even the most delusional, Trump-hater has to acknowledge that the Harris border policy was a catastrophe.  The ONLY reason that the Dems made any effort to control the border after three years is that they were facing political consequences in an election year.  The Republicans rightly rejected those phony efforts.  We need a real solution not a short-term political fix to help them in the polls.  The Dems have deflected the real problems posed by an influx of millions of illegal aliens with nonsense like the pets.   The problems are real and much more serious.  To imply this all just a product of "neo-Nazis" is brainwashed MSNBC nonsense.   You can't drop ten of thousands of illegal aliens in a small community without any resources to deal with them without massive problems.  Medical care, schools, housing, jobs.  None of that was taken into consideration.   

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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2024, 04:54:56 PM »
The Dems fought the wall tooth and nail.  They used every resource to ensure it wasn't built.  They sued Trump.  They tried to defund the building of the wall.  They claimed he was racist.  A wall works.  How do we know this?  They put one up around the Dem convention to keep people out.
What is the point of putting up a wall if it is not patrolled? The wall is easy to climb as the many Youtube videos of people scaling the wall with and without ropes show.  The only way to stop crossings is with well staffed border patrols. And the deal to do that was thwarted by those who complained most about the border: ie. when the Trump sycophants, like Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz, refused to support the bi-partisan border bill. 

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They have one around the WH to keep people out.  Do they stop 100% of the people who might want to cross?  No, but it is better than allowing them to run across a wide-open border. 

The Rio Grande River makes up 2000 km of the border.  No one is even suggesting a wall blocking the river.  Americans don't want to have to go over a wall to enjoy their river and I don't think the Mexicans would let the U.S. put it on the Mexican side.  Abbot's sick attempt at eviscerating migrants attempting to cross near El Paso didn't work.  Unless the river is monitored and patrolled - which takes people - you have 2000 km of open border even with a wall.

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The Dems have deflected the real problems posed by an influx of millions of illegal aliens with nonsense like the pets.   The problems are real and much more serious.  To imply this all just a product of "neo-Nazis" is brainwashed MSNBC nonsense.   You can't drop ten of thousands of illegal aliens in a small community without any resources to deal with them without massive problems.  Medical care, schools, housing, jobs.  None of that was taken into consideration.
Springfield's Republican mayor and the Republican Governor of Ohio would seem to disagree with you.  They seem pretty happy with the Haitian emigrees who seem to have found jobs and accommodation, schools, etc.  Despite J.D. Vance's distopian view of the situation, things were going rather well in Springfield

They hadn't counted on the additional resources required by the police and law enforcement, however. But that is only recent - to deal with the bomb threats and other security threats created by Trump's baseless allegations. And the only reason he made them was because his campaign was apparently listening to the Neo-Nazi group headed by two ex-marines who made up the rumour.
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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2024, 04:54:56 PM »