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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2025, 01:18:00 AM »
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You're not making your point very convincingly, Oswald's actions, contacts and interactions were widely investigated and therefore a comprehensive picture emerges of exactly who he was. For instance if my life was investigated and my actions were documented and my friends and enemies were interviewed, the man who I am would be revealed.

It's still what you have been told about Oswald. You have no way of knowing if what you are being told is accurate. You just want to believe it is!

It's easy enough to understand that there is a difference between knowing somebody personally or going by what others say about them. So, what is it exactly that you don't understand?

Your argument that I need to know someone personally to know who they really are is flawed, Serial Killers have neighbours who had a great relationship with the killer and then started to notice a foul odour emanating from their home. You hear it all the time that, I never suspected "Bob", he was such a nice guy.
But if these neighbours had a chance to investigate the history of the real "Bob", and know how he defected to the enemy, had a rifle and a revolver which has virtually untraceable bullets all purchased through an alias, how he tried to commit suicide because he had a temper tantrum, bashed his wife, attempted to assassinate someone who didn't share his views, Killed the President, Killed a nice cop who simply stopped him, tried to kill more cops who arrested him, was diagnosed by a professional when he was young that he needed mental help, that he wagged school for a lot of the school year, was unpleasant, etc etc. Then yes, we have a solid foundation that this man was stupid and crazy!

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2025, 01:29:28 AM »
Your argument that I need to know someone personally to know who they really are is flawed, Serial Killers have neighbours who had a great relationship with the killer and then started to notice a foul odour emanating from their home. You hear it all the time that, I never suspected "Bob", he was such a nice guy.
But if these neighbours had a chance to investigate the history of the real "Bob", and know how he defected to the enemy, had a rifle and a revolver which has virtually untraceable bullets all purchased through an alias, how he tried to commit suicide because he had a temper tantrum, bashed his wife, attempted to assassinate someone who didn't share his views, Killed the President, Killed a nice cop who simply stopped him, tried to kill more cops who arrested him, was diagnosed by a professional when he was young that he needed mental help, that he wagged school for a lot of the school year, was unpleasant, etc etc. Then yes, we have a solid foundation that this man was stupid and crazy!

JohnM

Your argument that I need to know someone personally to know who they really are is flawed,

That's not my argument. In this case all you know about Oswald is what you have been told. That's my argument!

And since you've misrepresented my argument, everything else you wrote is no more than your usual  BS:

Here it is again; ALL YOU KNOW ABOUT OSWALD IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD!

Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2025, 01:32:17 AM »
I’m not sure , But it looks like that JohnM might  agree with me that LBJ could have known that Oswald was stupid and crazy, that he beat his wife, that he probably had shot at Walker, and LBJ knew that much about Oswald several months BEFORE Nov 22/63?

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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2025, 01:39:10 AM »
Your argument that I need to know someone personally to know who they really are is flawed,

That's not my argument. In this case all you know about Oswald is what you have been told. That's my argument!

And since you've misrepresented my argument, everything else you wrote is no more than your usual  BS:

Here it is again; ALL YOU KNOW ABOUT OSWALD IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD!

Your words Martin, not mine!

It's easy enough to understand that there is a difference between knowing somebody personally or going by what others say about them. So, what is it exactly that you don't understand?

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« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2025, 01:46:23 AM »
Your words Martin, not mine!

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What's your point? Isn't there a difference between knowing somebody personally or going by what others say about them?

My argument still stands. You never knew Oswald personally, so all you know (or think you know) about him is what you have been told.

It's not really difficult to understand, so why are you struggling to comprehend?

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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2025, 02:08:57 AM »
What's your point? Isn't there a difference difference between knowing somebody personally or going by what others say about them?

My argument still stands. You never knew Oswald personally, so all you know (or think you know) about them is what you have been told.

It's not really difficult to understand, so why are you struggling to comprehend?

You made a mistake, it seems that you can't even follow your own arguments and then get unnecessarily testy when confronted with your flawed logic.
My refutation still stands, one person interacting personally with another person over a fraction of that person's life will by definition only tell a partial story of who that person is, but examining their actions and analysing many people interacting with that person over a lifetime will paint a far more accurate picture, it's a simple and concise way to establish who a person is.
For instance your bad attitude, hurling insults and hot temper on this Forum is well documented but if people in your life, tell us that Martin is a nice person because he helps the hungry, donates to charities, volunteers his time to the elderly etc etc, then the person who you are will be established. We are defined across our entire being not just by one persons perspective. See how this works!

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« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2025, 02:12:54 AM »
You made a mistake, it seems that you can't even follow your own arguments and then get unnecessarily testy when confronted with your flawed logic.
My refutation still stands, one person interacting personally with another person over a fraction of that person's life will by definition only tell a partial story of who that person is, but examining their actions and analysing many people interacting with that person over a lifetime will paint a far more accurate picture, it's a simple and concise way to establish who a person is.
For instance your bad attitude, hurling insults and hot temper on this Forum is well documented but if people in your life, tell us that Martin is a nice person because he helps the hungry, donates to charities, volunteers his time to the elderly etc etc, then the person who you are will be established. We are defined across our entire being not just by one persons perspective. See how this works!

JohnM

You really must be desperate by now.

So, let's make it easy for you; what do you know about Oswald from personal experience and what do you know about him because others have told you about him?

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #135 on: March 08, 2025, 08:27:12 PM »
How is that a problem, you keep using circular logic and assuming eyewitnesses make decisions based on the Oswald we know, but from their POV the man who was wearing the brown shirt could have simply been a bum they grabbed to fill the line-up.

In what way was his T-shirt messed up, the fact that in those line-ups Oswald wasn't wearing the jacket and brown shirt gave him a distinct advantage.

Speaking of circular logic, why would that give him an advantage?

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But let's get serious, if Oswald was truly innocent why would he even say anything?

Because they were trying to railroad him with blatantly unfair lineups.  "Same size and build", my azz.


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« Reply #135 on: March 08, 2025, 08:27:12 PM »