Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Charles Collins]

    Your attention should be focused on the angle from the 1/2 open window to the Signal Light/Support Beam. This is what Holland claimed the bullet struck/glanced off of.

By my rough calculations explained in the earlier post, the end of the traffic light mast (where the actual traffic light is hung) is roughly inline with a pseudo Z124 JFK location. Again, others can probably provide more accurate plots of these locations than I can at this point.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Brian, if you run across another of those rifles for sale or want to sell your’s, please let me know via private message.

I am guessing that LHO probably had seen photos of JFK’s motorcades in the newspapers and had a general idea of what to expect. As far as potentially shooting at JFK on Houston goes, that would have given SS agents a chance to see him and shoot back. I believe that LHO set up and executed a very well designed ambush from behind. So, I would guess that an ambush from behind was his plan all along (especially considering the way the sniper’s nest was set up for comfortable shots after clearing the tree on Elm Street).

 When sitting straight up on the seat box LHO was hidden from view from Houston Street (and Hughe’s camera). Just by leaning forward a little bit (same lean angle as for aiming a shot down Elm Street towards the triple underpass) LHO could see down onto Houston Street (and Brennan could see LHO). I believe that is why Brennan thought LHO left his spot in the window several times, but I believe that LHO simply sat up straight and was hidden from view from Brennan’s angle. I have proven all that stuff to myself using my models.

As far as standing to begin with, he didn’t need to do that to get a good view of the motorcade on Houston Street. Sixty feet above the street level versus sixty three feet above street level isn’t going to make a significant difference. Plus he was out of sight to most of the spectators and the motorcade participants in his sitting position, and it makes no sense for him to stand up and expose himself to view. Snipers typically choose to stay hidden as much as possible.

No one to my knowledge is willing to specify where in the window they see the motion. If they did and we could also discern the motion, we might have an idea whether he was sitting or standing. Best evidence that I know of is the witnesses who saw him seconds before the shots and indicated from their descriptions of what they could see of him that he was sitting.

Charles: The Hughes film was enhanced here:

Go to the ~1:20 mark. It's a short clip. The conclusion was that there was motion in the window about 7 seconds before the first shot is fired. It's hard to make out but it seems that the figure was standing at that point. It's incredibly frustrating because had Hughes continued filming we would have been able to see the shooting.

This was from the PBS investigation "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?"

[Charles Collins]

Charles: The Hughes film was enhanced here:

Go to the ~1:20 mark. It's a short clip. The conclusion was that there was motion in the window about 7 seconds before the first shot is fired. It's hard to make out but it seems that the figure was standing at that point. It's incredibly frustrating because had Hughes continued filming we would have been able to see the shooting.

This was from the PBS investigation "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?"

Hughes did stop filming but then he continued filming a few seconds later showing other parts of the motorcade closer to him on Houston Street.

Thanks for the link to the video. I watched it again several times but failed to find anything that indicated he was standing. They give no clue about where specifically in the window the movement was supposed to be located. Did you see any movement in the sixth floor corner window that you are willing to give us the specific location of?

[Brian Roselle]

By my rough calculations explained in the earlier post, the end of the traffic light mast (where the actual traffic light is hung) is roughly inline with a pseudo Z124 JFK location. Again, others can probably provide more accurate plots of these locations than I can at this point.

There seems to be some confusion about the minimum limo miss at ~ z124 I have been talking about and the traffic mast causing the miss at ~z107.

The minimum limo miss is described at this link below with the middle picture representing the limo at ~z124.
 
At this point the limo has significantly passed the traffic mast. This type of minimum miss strike location also matched what Faye Chism said.

This link below was used to estimate the instantaneous rifle deviation, i.e. how far off from being perfectly aimed using the iron sights it would momentarily have to be off target to miss the limo, when the first shot missing the president’s head was estimated at 36”. The picture at the top was found to just to help convey the geometry of the measurement points. The result was that the aim only had to be off target by about a half an inch to miss the limo.

I later made an estimate using oa at 107 ft to get some angle estimates. If it helps, one estimate of the angle down from horizontal at the sniper nest to the trajectory going to limo was about 33.7 deg, and upwards from ground/limo to the nest would be about 32.8  deg.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hZEgKoRdXBBpzrLArLUZh9JsNA3oIE_E/view?usp=sharing

[Brian Roselle]

Steve, Thanks for posting that Hughes clip.  I'll look over it repeatedly to see if I can discern anything notable.

I'm with you, it was really bad luck the filming stopped when it did. Just a few more seconds and we would likely have answers to a whole slew of questions.

[Royell Storing]

Steve, Thanks for posting that Hughes clip.  I'll look over it repeatedly to see if I can discern anything notable.

I'm with you, it was really bad luck the filming stopped when it did. Just a few more seconds and we would likely have answers to a whole slew of questions.

    This stuff about movement in that window started way back when with Groden. As with almost all of these type claims, you need to consider that maybe they are looking at a better definition image than we are. Or, maybe they have the means to "beef" the image definition up. That said, I personally do Not see whatever movement they are claiming is on the other side of the window.

[Andrew Mason]

Recent discussions regarding the sniper (possibly awkwardly) standing versus sitting or kneeling for an early shot taken about 9 seconds before Z133 (Z124H) prompted me to use my 3D model to test a sitting positon similar to my Z223 model. I found that a slight rotation at the waist of about 5 degrees along with head,  neck and arm adjustments allows a smooth transisiton through Z124H to Z223 and Z313 positions. Attached are four views from Z124H - Z223 including the models point of view from his left eye.

Your view of the President's car emerging from under the oak tree relative to the lamp post is a bit off when compared to the Secret Service film taken on December 2, 1963:


The frame I used for comparison is from the film is taken just before the car position in this photo found at CE875 at 17H884.

[Andrew Mason]

Looking at Andrew’s last examples of Z frames raises a probability ? of how likely JC having been supposedly hit at Z224 by a 6.5 mm ball nosed bullet passing thru his chest cavity cracking rib bone then thru his wrist and shattering that bone, could have remained erect, let alone turn around to look at JFK for that duration of about 3 secs?

Would it take 3 secs for JC to finally feel pain enough to fall back in Mrs Cs lap?

Or is it more likely that if JC was hit at Z270 or so , the pain would have been more immediately felt in just 0.5 secs and thus JC falling back was closer in sync with that pain?

Good point. If z230-270 is not where JBC turns to try to look at JFK before he was hit in the back, the only other possible place is the half a second while JBC was obscured by the Stemmons sign.