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Online Tom Mahon

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #480 on: February 16, 2025, 02:14:44 AM »
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SS Agent Glen Bennett is turned around looking back and upwards towards the TSBD in Betzner’s photo taken at approximately Z186.



Bennett was cited by the WC as a witness for the first shot missing JFK.  But he was never called by the WC and this is unfortunate  because he gave a statement on 23Nov63 that is different from his original notes taken at the time on 22Nov63. His original notes (CE1024 at 18H542) state:
  • "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed fire cracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head."

Any theories as to why Bennett, looking straight ahead between Z frames 140 and 143, begins tilting his head to his right in Z-144 while Hickey, on the other side of the car, starts looking down at the pavement in Z-149?

If you will google "Costella Combined Edit" and click on frame Z-188, you'll see that just 1/9 of a second after Betzner's photo, Bennett is still leaning far to his right but "now" looking straight ahead!

Hmm.

PS  Do you really think Bennett is looking towards the TSBD in Betzner's photo?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2025, 03:05:35 AM by Tom Mahon »

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #481 on: February 16, 2025, 03:13:41 AM »
I believe that this is Agent Bennett looking back towards the western end of the TSBD in Betzner’s photo at about Z186.



I haven’t found another photo that shows he or any of the other agents looking back behind them (except during the shots on Elm Street). They are trained to scan the crowd and areas that they are approaching and adjacent to.

I think he's looking at the crowd, not the TSBD.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #482 on: February 16, 2025, 04:28:41 AM »
Any theories as to why Bennett, looking straight ahead between Z frames 140 and 143, begins tilting his head to his right in Z-144 while Hickey, on the other side of the car, starts looking down at the pavement in Z-149?

If you will google "Costella Combined Edit" and click on frame Z-188, you'll see that just 1/9 of a second after Betzner's photo, Bennett is still leaning far to his right but "now" looking straight ahead!

Hmm.

PS  Do you really think Bennett is looking towards the TSBD in Betzner's photo?
Bennett is in the rear seat on the right side sitting down.  He is behind the two agents on the right running board and can’t be seen in z188 or any of those frames.

At z186 the TSBD is to the right of the car.  If he is looking sideways 90 degrees or more he is looking at the TSBD.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #483 on: February 16, 2025, 04:45:08 AM »
Bennett is in the rear seat on the right side sitting down. He is behind the two agents on the right running board and can’t be seen in z188 or any of those frames.

Hmm.

You're probably right.

Maybe I've been mistaking Powers for Bennett.

Can Bennett be seen in any of the Zapruder frames?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2025, 09:35:25 AM by Tom Mahon »

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #484 on: February 16, 2025, 12:16:54 PM »
I think he's looking at the crowd, not the TSBD.


It is impossible to say with any certainty exactly what he is looking at. However it does appear that he has his head turned towards (aka: in the direction of) the western end of the TSBD (NNW from his position at that point in time).

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #485 on: February 16, 2025, 03:47:15 PM »
Bennett is in the rear seat on the right side sitting down.  He is behind the two agents on the right running board and can’t be seen in z188 or any of those frames.

At z186 the TSBD is to the right of the car.  If he is looking sideways 90 degrees or more he is looking at the TSBD.

    The TSBD front door is roughly in line with the water pool. The pictured Queen Mary is well passed that water pool and has reached the R.L. Thornton sign. As pictured, the agent looking to the (R) would be looking in the direction of the Shelter/Sidewalk and the bushes close to that same sidewalk. This SS Agent is Not looking Back toward any portion of the TSBD. To do so from his pictured position, would require a much more severe head turn.   

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« Reply #486 on: February 16, 2025, 06:12:39 PM »
    The TSBD front door is roughly in line with the water pool. The pictured Queen Mary is well passed that water pool and has reached the R.L. Thornton sign. As pictured, the agent looking to the (R) would be looking in the direction of the Shelter/Sidewalk and the bushes close to that same sidewalk. This SS Agent is Not looking Back toward any portion of the TSBD. To do so from his pictured position, would require a much more severe head turn.

Look on a Dealey Plaza map (the Roberdeau map shows Betzner’s position). Draw a line from Betzner’s position to the backseat position of the follow up vehicle at Z186. This is roughly the Z161 position of JFK as indicated on the Roberdeau map. We can see SS Agent Bennett’s right face profile. Therefore his head is facing roughly 90-degrees from the line of sight from Betzner’s camera. That 90-degree line intersects the TSBD at about the second set of windows (on the south side of the building) from the SW corner.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #487 on: February 16, 2025, 06:58:18 PM »
Your defense of their pointless study is that they didn't use Bennett?

Roselle and Scearce couldn't use Bennett in their fine study because, although we can see him looking sharply to his right in Z-135, z-136, 137, and (most clearly) in Z-138, and we can see him looking straight ahead by Z-142, and we can see him tilt his head to his right to see around Powers from about Z-144-on, we can't see him in Z-133 or Z-134 due to the sprocket hole, so we don't know if he started looking sharply to his right in response to hearing the first shot or if he was already looking in that direction before the first shot rang out. The important thing is that he started tilting his head to his right to see around Powers to see if JFK was okay around Z-147, i.e., about 1.25 seconds after Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124." The time interval of 1.25 seconds (or slightly shorter) suggests that Bennett was already looking sharply to his right while "scanning the crowd," and that his turning his head and starting to look straight ahead by Z-142 was his conscious (i.e., non-"startle") reaction to the sounds of the first shot.   


Post a blow-up of the Z-frame you believe shows Bennett looking round Powers, because I don't see it.

Google "Costella Combined Edit" and go to Z-150 for a pretty clear one.

You're welcome, btw.


I've just read the post where you realised the man you thought was Bennett, tilting his head to look around Powers, was actually Powers  ;D ;D.
D'ooooooooh!  ::)

Your feeble attempt to salvage your beloved study was already piss-poor, and that was before you realised you were talking about the wrong person!!
Even your extreme mentality, must now accept that your 10.2 second nonsense is over.
However, I suspect that the more it falls apart the more you will believe it.

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All three men [Landis, Ready and Hickey] state they turned to their right rear as a response to the first shot.

That's what their confused recollections told them to say, but when they say they turned around to the rear, they're obviously referring to what they did in response to the second shot, i.e., the one around Z-222.

Ready, however, gives us a clue that they were all wittingly or unwittingly referring to the second shot when he wrote (as you so kindly posted, above), "I heard what appeared to be firecrackers [plural] going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear [after the second "firecracker"] trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

"That's what their confused recollections told them to say"

Even though each man specifically states that they are responding to the first shot, you know better?
Your extreme mentality allows you to correct the poor confused witnesses. I've no doubt that, in your mind, you really feel like you've done them a favour.
But do you know what, I'm not going to accept your silly interpretation of their statements. Your thoughts about this seem confused.
The first shot was a very loud noise, it's been described as an explosion and ear-shattering. I'm not going to ask why you think the Secret Service agents reacted to the second shot and not the first one because I'm concerned your answer will make you look really foolish.

On the plus side, you are right about one thing - they are reacting to the sound of a shot around z222.
Altgens 6 and the statements of Ready, Landis and Hickey are just one element of many that demonstrate, beyond any shadow of doubt, that they are responding to a first shot around z222.
Do yourself a favour and have a read through "The First Shot" thread.

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You do realize, don't you, that Altgens-6 equates to Z-255, 1.80 seconds after JFK and JBC were wounded by Oswald's second bullet, CE-399?

Yes, I do realise that buddy.
It shows their immediate reaction to the very loud, "explosion" of the first shot.
Do you realise that Altgens 6 is taken approximately 6 seconds after the first shot you are proposing?
Do you realise how stupid that makes your proposal look? According to your way of thinking, the three agents didn't react in anyway to this ear-shattering explosion but little Rosemary Willis did!!

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The Z-film does not show this movement.

Correct, because by Z-200, i.e., 1.2 seconds before the second shot and 3 seconds before Altgens-6, the pertinent people (your Landis, Ready and Hickey) in the Secret Service follow-up car were no longer in the frame.

D'oh!

Maybe I've been mistaking Powers for Bennett.

D'oh!

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #487 on: February 16, 2025, 06:58:18 PM »