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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #504 on: February 18, 2025, 10:41:26 AM »
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Your diagram is a very close match to the Mark Tyler mapping program at Z186



It appears to me that Mark Tyler includes the man who obscures the view on the left side of the Betzner photo in his depiction of the field of view. Tyler’s version is technically more correct, but I chose to exclude that part of the photo and specified that I did that. So, we really are very close. Thanks for the input.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #505 on: February 18, 2025, 12:20:31 PM »
There is a noticeable difference in the position of Betzner between the Mark Tyler and Roberdeau maps.  Betzner was closer to the corner and to the curb than Roberdeau has him.


Here’s Z184 which is clearer than Z186. It shows Betzner holding his camera to his eye. I have drawn an arrow to Betzner and another arrow to what appears to be the corner of the building on the east side of Houston Street. Betzner appears to be slightly to the camera’s right of that corner.




If we take an image of Dealey Plaza from Mark Tyler’s animation and draw a line from Zapruder’s position to the corner of that building, it appears to me that Tyler’s indicated position for Betzner would have Betzner a little to the left of that corner. But as we can see in the Z184 frame Betzner isn’t to the left of the corner.




On the other hand, Roberdeau’s map seems to me to have Betzner’s position correctly aligned with the corner of that building on the east side of Houston Street.





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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #506 on: February 18, 2025, 03:31:34 PM »

  I do Not see Betzner with the camera, "to his eye" in your posted Z184. His head is tilted which further casts doubt on his camera being up in his face at this point in time. Willis does have his hands up at face level for comparison. Also, we see the JFK Limo has straightened out on Elm St. This gives the viewer a good idea where the Limo is at with respect to the Light Pole/Thornton Sign. For some reason, you guys continue swearing by the cartoon work that has previously been done. When you gonna just pull the plug?

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #507 on: February 18, 2025, 03:47:30 PM »
As luck would have it I can't seem to find that statement at the moment; will keep trying to locate it.

In the meantime, take a look at Hickey's (blurred) head in Z-190 and note how far he's leaned over to look at the pavement. Please note that he'd started leaning over and looking down by at least Z-149.

In his statement regarding events in Dallas, Texas, on Friday, November 22, 1963– VP Detail SA Warren W. Taylor recalls:
“Our automobile had just turned a corner (the names of the streets are unknown to me) when I heard a bang which sounded to me like a possible firecracker--the sound coming from my right rear. Out of the corner of my eye and off slightly to the right rear of our car, I noticed what now seems to me might have been a short piece of streamer flying in the air close to the ground, but due to the confusion of the moment, I thought that it was a firecracker going off.”

SA Taylor sat on the left rear seat of LBJ's follow-up car.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-taylo.htm


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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #508 on: February 18, 2025, 05:25:02 PM »
  I do Not see Betzner with the camera, "to his eye" in your posted Z184. His head is tilted which further casts doubt on his camera being up in his face at this point in time. Willis does have his hands up at face level for comparison. Also, we see the JFK Limo has straightened out on Elm St. This gives the viewer a good idea where the Limo is at with respect to the Light Pole/Thornton Sign. For some reason, you guys continue swearing by the cartoon work that has previously been done. When you gonna just pull the plug?

Here is a closer view with Betzner circled in red. He has both hands up around his face. He is obviously holding his camera to his eye. Sorry if you do not see this. That’s the best I know how to do for you. Believe otherwise if you wish. I couldn’t care less.



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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #509 on: February 18, 2025, 06:06:42 PM »

     I believe what we are seeing is a shadow on One Side of his face.  Image analysis is Not easy. Take your time and think it through.   

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #510 on: February 18, 2025, 07:09:01 PM »
     I believe what we are seeing is a shadow on One Side of his face.  Image analysis is Not easy. Take your time and think it through.


He has a small Kodak 120 (el cheap) camera that he is holding in front of his eye. It is much smaller than a typical 35mm camera. It uses much smaller film also. I can’t quite read the serial number though….

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #511 on: February 18, 2025, 08:07:30 PM »

He has a small Kodak 120 (el cheap) camera that he is holding in front of his eye. It is much smaller than a typical 35mm camera. It uses much smaller film also. I can’t quite read the serial number though….

    "MUCH Smaller than a typical 35mm camera"?  Nope. We can see the flesh tone of the entire side of his face clear up to his hairline. No camera there.

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