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Oliver Stone - Did he get it correct with his Movie?
« on: January 29, 2025, 06:48:04 AM »
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Most of us CTers generally look for purpose behind the killing?   If LHO truly was a patsy and hadn't realize that he was to take the fall but yet was involved.   Obviously like any clandestine operation, you won't find a money trail via tax returns.   You have to wonder how he had enough money always to travel the world, revoke his passport  and reinstate the passport and be at the right place at the right time and on time!  If he was a patsy, why would CIA, Mossad, organized crime or VP LBJ want to eliminate the President and so perfectly conceal it?

As a CTer, there are several rabbit trails and holes to dive down!

1)  Perhaps LBJ hated JFK because he belittled him?   Did Mathilde Krim have anything to do with it?  LBJ was pro-nuclear for the Jewish state while JFK was obsessed with monitoring the Dimona Textile Factory before he was killed.
https://....weiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/
2)  Why was night club owner Jack Rubenstein  the great patriot who did his country the favor of not allowing LHO to have his day in court and a trial?
3)  Was it happenstance that Jack Rubenstein was never interrogated before succumbing to stomach cancer a short time later?
4)  Why was Jacqueline never interviewed or questioned?   What role did she play and why was her mouth kept shut?

What did or was JFK doing that pissed someone off so badly that they had to remove him?  We know he wanted to keep all nuclear armament out of the Middle East and disobeyed in the Cuban affair.   He wanted teams to go into Palestine and check to make sure there was no nuclear material there and that they were not developing a nuclear bomb.  Maybe the question, should be asked - How and when did Israel become a nuclear power?   Did LBJ pursue what Kennedy planned or was that immediately dropped?  Did Mathilde Krim influence any decisions he may have made?  She was a good looking girl and seemed to be close to LBJ.

There was some old tapes that surfaced under that old conspiracy nut (AJ).   He claimed they are not AI.   If they were AI, it was a pretty good impersonation and had the drawl down really well for the time.   Of course, these could have been 1970s actors playing their parts as Bill Sol Estes and Clifton Carter who were discussing LBJ and Mac Wallace.   Sigh! Just another rabbit trail.

https://banned.video/watch?id=6786f510c32b5c6ba7140624

LBJ and McNamara were together at the time of the 6 day war and the sinking of the USS Liberty in error by the Israelis.  We know that they had knowledge and survivors are suggesting a larger cover up than just an air attack and a torpedo.   (book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen).  A lot of strange events in this world and wars were often created by them.

Maybe Oliver Stone got it right and LBJ was involved and made sure things happened according to a bigger plan set up by the military industrial complex and deep state operatives?  Dulles for example was fired by JFK and yet became one of the investigators to write the report.  Quite convenient!     
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Re: Oliver Stone - did he get it correct with his movie?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2025, 07:32:02 AM »
Most of us CTers generally look for purpose behind the killing?   If LHO truly was a patsy and hadn't realize that he was to take the fall but yet was involved.   Obviously like any clandestine operation, you won't find a money trail via tax returns.   You have to wonder how he had enough money always to travel the world, revoke his passport  and reinstate the passport and be at the right place at the right time and on time!  If he was a patsy, why would CIA, Mossad, organized crime or VP LBJ want to eliminate the President and so perfectly conceal it?

As a CTer, there are several rabbit trails and holes to dive down!

1)  Perhaps LBJ hated JFK because he belittled him?   Did Mathilde Krim have anything to do with it?  LBJ was pro-nuclear for the Jewish state while JFK was obsessed with monitoring the Dimona Textile Factory before he was killed.
https://....weiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/
2)  Why was night club owner Jack Rubenstein  the great patriot who did his country the favor of not allowing LHO to have his day in court and a trial?
3)  Was it happenstance that Jack Rubenstein was never interrogated before succumbing to stomach cancer a short time later?
4)  Why was Jacqueline never interviewed or questioned?   What role did she play and why was her mouth kept shut?

What did or was JFK doing that pissed someone off so badly that they had to remove him?  We know he wanted to keep all nuclear armament out of the Middle East and disobeyed in the Cuban affair.   He wanted teams to go into Palestine and check to make sure there was no nuclear material there and that they were not developing a nuclear bomb.  Maybe the question, should be asked - How and when did Israel become a nuclear power?   Did LBJ pursue what Kennedy planned or was that immediately dropped?  Did Mathilde Krim influence any decisions he may have made?  She was a good looking girl and seemed to be close to LBJ.

There was some old tapes that surfaced under that old conspiracy nut (AJ).   He claimed they are not AI.   If they were AI, it was a pretty good impersonation and had the drawl down really well for the time.   Of course, these could have been 1970s actors playing their parts as Bill Sol Estes and Clifton Carter who were discussing LBJ and Mac Wallace.   Sigh! Just another rabbit trail.

https://banned.video/watch?id=6786f510c32b5c6ba7140624

LBJ and McNamara were together at the time of the 6 day war and the sinking of the USS Liberty in error by the Israelis.  We know that they had knowledge and survivors are suggesting a larger cover up than just an air attack and a torpedo.   (book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen).  A lot of strange events in this world and wars were often created by them.

Maybe Oliver Stone got it right and LBJ was involved and made sure things happened according to a bigger plan set up by the military industrial complex and deep state operatives?  Dulles for example was fired by JFK and yet became one of the investigators to write the report.  Quite convenient!     

Comrade Oliver Stone admitted in an interview that his movie "JFK" (which was based largely on Jim Garrison's specious book "On the Trail of the Assassins") was mythological -- "to counter the myth of the Warren Report."

Enough said.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2025, 01:49:40 PM »
 Oliver Stone makes movies. Nobody regards him as a Historian. And just for the record, a house did Not fall onto a witch.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2025, 03:42:18 PM »
It's been over 60 years since the assassination. That's a long time, a long time to keep this covered it up. People talk, evidence is found. But not here. The most recent claim is that these last remaining documents will expose the conspiracy. Otherwise, it's argued, why have they withheld them? But we know why, we know what's in them. And there's nothing there.

This is the most investigated event in American history. Multiple generations of Americans of all backgrounds inside the government and outside have looked into it. This grand conspiracy idea - or even moderate conspiracy idea - has no basis anymore. There's nothing supporting it. All one has now is conjecture and supposition. "Maybe this" or "Maybe that." You pluck out a piece of evidence or information here, another piece there, and try to assemble it into a large conspiracy. And it simply doesn't work. You have to ignore all of this other counter evidence.

If you believe that multiple generations of Americans have covered this all up - even those today - then there's nothing than can dissuade you. It's a non-falsifiable theory; no evidence, no investigation, no study will persuade you otherwise.

The famous reporter Seymour Hersh, the man who uncovered the CIA and military abuses, e.g., the Family Jewels, My Lai said he met with Stone to discuss the Panama/Noriega movie that Stone was working on. But Hersh said the only thing Stone wanted to talk about was how the CIA killed JFK. Hersh wrote this:

"We had a game-changing row the next morning when I told him this his idea was off the wall and he said in response that he always knew I was a CIA agent."

So again, if you think a Hersh covered this up, and a Tim Weiner, and a Robert Caro with LBJ, and the Washington Post, and the NY Times, and Walter Cronkite, and ABC News and....well, if you believe this then good luck in life. You'll need it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2025, 03:52:14 PM »
For decades the conspiracy believers demanded: "Release Oswald's tax returns! That will show he worked for the CIA! It's why they are being hidden."

Then Marina authorizes their disclosure (they were held by the IRS under the law forbidding their release even though the Warren Commission and HSCA cited them) and they show...nothing. No secret source of money, no work for the CIA, no large mysterious income.

Was that enough? No, they still insist on some secret source of money. More conspiracies, more this or that. Lordy, it never ends.
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For decades the conspiracy believers demanded: "Release Oswald's tax returns! That will show he worked for the CIA! It's why they are being hidden."

Then Marina authorizes their disclosure (they were held by the IRS under the law forbidding their release even though the Warren Commission and HSCA cited them) and they show...nothing. No secret source of money, no work for the CIA, no large mysterious income.

Was that enough? No, they still insist on some secret source of money. More conspiracies, more this or that. Lordy, it never ends.

   Not sure why anyone would believe that Oswald's Tax Returns might prove anything. It's called the "INTERNAL Revenue Service" for a reason.
   

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2025, 10:13:33 PM »
It's been over 60 years since the assassination. That's a long time, a long time to keep this covered it up. People talk, evidence is found. But not here. The most recent claim is that these last remaining documents will expose the conspiracy. Otherwise, it's argued, why have they withheld them? But we know why, we know what's in them. And there's nothing there.

This is the most investigated event in American history. Multiple generations of Americans of all backgrounds inside the government and outside have looked into it. This grand conspiracy idea - or even moderate conspiracy idea - has no basis anymore. There's nothing supporting it. All one has now is conjecture and supposition. "Maybe this" or "Maybe that." You pluck out a piece of evidence or information here, another piece there, and try to assemble it into a large conspiracy. And it simply doesn't work. You have to ignore all of this other counter evidence.

If you believe that multiple generations of Americans have covered this all up - even those today - then there's nothing than can dissuade you. It's a non-falsifiable theory; no evidence, no investigation, no study will persuade you otherwise.

The famous reporter Seymour Hersh, the man who uncovered the CIA and military abuses, e.g., the Family Jewels, My Lai said he met with Stone to discuss the Panama/Noriega movie that Stone was working on. But Hersh said the only thing Stone wanted to talk about was how the CIA killed JFK. Hersh wrote this:

"We had a game-changing row the next morning when I told him this his idea was off the wall and he said in response that he always knew I was a CIA agent."

So again, if you think a Hersh covered this up, and a Tim Weiner, and a Robert Caro with LBJ, and the Washington Post, and the NY Times, and Walter Cronkite, and ABC News and....well, if you believe this then good luck in life. You'll need it.

    Do you believe that JonBenet Ramsey just disappeared from the planet? How about something the size of MH 370 doing likewise? What about Area 51? And then there's Skinwalker Ranch. The U.S.Govt previously owned that land and we still have No Idea what was/is going on there. Crack reporters have been all over these cases for decades and Failed to solve all of them. Time + Reporters/Researchers does Not guarantee solving a mystery.   

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Do you believe that JonBenet Ramsey just disappeared from the planet? How about something the size of MH 370 doing likewise? What about Area 51? And then there's Skinwalker Ranch. The U.S.Govt previously owned that land and we still have No Idea what was/is going on there. Crack reporters have been all over these cases for decades and Failed to solve all of them. Time + Reporters/Researchers does Not guarantee solving a mystery.   

The JFK assassination is no mystery.

A sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK to advance the Marxist-Leninist Dialectic by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known a Dealey Plaza.

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