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Offline Lance Payette

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If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« on: February 09, 2025, 05:55:33 PM »
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I’m always struck by the extent to which, in every JFKA conspiracy theory, the conspirators seem to have been Diabolical Geniuses half the time and Bumbling Stooges the other half. The Stooges, fortunately for the CT community, left the hundreds or thousands of supposed “clues” that are the lifeblood of their theories.

Couldn’t little old me have done better, I sometimes wonder? Instead of debating the Magic Bullet for the 900th time, I like to try to picture what a plausible conspiracy involving LHO might have looked like. What if I had been in charge?

I simply reject as implausible a massive conspiracy extending over a long period and involving umpteen individuals, agencies and organizations, including a cardboard LHO as The Most Interesting Man Who Ever Lived. This isn’t what a real-world conspiracy looks like, especially a Presidential one where being caught would be a guarantee of execution. In any event, my focus as the would-be assassination planner is simply on how a realistic LHO-as-patsy scheme might have worked.

A conspiracy with LHO as the designated patsy seemingly must have been implemented not long before 11-22. LHO, as a Russian defector and pro-Castro agitator, might have been on our anti-Castro radar screens as a potential patsy in the summer, but him getting the job at the TSBD on October 16th, together with the route of JFK’s motorcade becoming known on November 19th, must have seemed like an answer to prayer. As if by magic, our patsy was right where he needed to be!

We’ll assume we’ve previously established a relationship with LHO as fellow Casto supporters, albeit bogus ones. So now we leap into action. Critical elements, it seems to me, would be:

1.   Keep this as simple as possible. JFK dies and all signs point to our patsy. Mission accomplished, neat and clean. Nobody gets executed.
2.   Our patsy must be under complete control shortly before and at the time of the assassination.
3.   A plausible assassination weapon must be easily connected to our patsy.
4.   If the actual assassination weapon is a different one, it must be of the same type and caliber.
5.   The ammunition must be a common type and easily obtainable. Nothing exotic - no Bruno Magli shoes, if you get my drift.
6.   From wherever the fatal shot is fired, the trajectory must not be wildly different from a shot fired from the patsy’s location.
7.   Our patsy cannot survive the assassination.

This all seems obvious, just Assassination 101 sort of stuff. Violate any of these basics and you’re practically asking to get caught. We’re better than that.

We don’t want shooters in front of JFK, for crying out loud. That would pretty much blow the entire patsy thing and exponentially increase the complexity and risk of the assassination. Let’s keep in mind that this a Presidential assassination – we’re all going to die if this goes awry.

We simply need a single sniper at a location consistent with the 6th floor of the TSBD (which we have shrewdly identified as the preferred location). Perhaps the TSBD itself, the Dal-Tex building, or some other elevated location to the rear of the Presidential limousine. But no triple overpass, picket fence or manhole cover – we’re not that stupid; if we were going to shoot JFK from the front, we don’t need a patsy in the TSBD at all. What do you think we’re going to do, gentlemen – alter the body, bribe autopsy doctors, fake X-rays and steal the brain? We're not trying to write science fiction here, people.

No, we need only one reasonably well-dressed sniper who can blend into the woodwork at the selected location. This will be no problem at either the TSBD or Dal-Tex building. How lucky are we that JFK is going to be going down Elm during the lunch hour? It’s perfect, I tell ya!

No, we don’t need spotters with umbrellas and walkie-talkies and other nonsense – our assassin is a pro, and this shot is a piece of cake. Do professional hits require a 12-man support team? Perhaps our guy will flub a shot or two just to add to the plausibility of LHO as the gunman – yes, I like it, somebody write that down.

We know that LHO owns a Carcano, but we aren’t trusting the assassination to that clunker and all the red flags it would raise. No, we have LHO fondle a plausible assassination weapon identical to the sniper’s a day or two before the assassination and stash a bill of sale dated the same day among his papers at his room while he’s at work on Friday morning. Someone can pose as a city inspector or potential tenant to get the stashing done. I'm thinking potential tenant, but whatever.

Since the TSBD is pretty much wide-open, we stash the rifle and some empty shells on Thursday night as Hancock and Boylan suggest. Oh, wait, this would run the risk they'll be discovered before the assassination, particularly since we know an entire crew is laying flooring up there. Hmmm.

Let’s re-think that. Our well-dressed sniper will enter the TSBD at 12:10 or so on Friday, posing as customer of one of the publishing companies if asked, and will ascend to the 6th floor with two disassembled rifles, one covered with LHO’s fingerprints and one to be used for the assassination. Yes, we like this better.

LHO can’t be going to Ruth Paine’s on Thursday evening. Whoever came up with this idea is hereby demoted to Junior Assassin Trainee. No, LHO needs to be in his room as usual and be called to the telephone for two or three calls from us. Nothing related to the assassination, of course, just get him to the phone to talk about the weather or Cuba or something so everyone who overhears the calls will recall this after the assassination. A nice touch, no?

We do still have the problem of controlling LHO. Obviously, the patsy thing goes poof if he’s seen within the TSBD at the time of the assassination or, worse yet, seen and photographed out on the steps. What if the idiot actually admires JFK and runs down the sidewalk waving at him? Can’t happen, people.

On top of that, we don’t know how he’s going to react to the assassination. What if he just joins in the excitement with everyone else and shows no concern until “his” rifle is discovered? What if the end result is that his alibi is accepted by the those who count? We simply can’t have that.

This would seem to be our biggest challenge, gentlemen. LHO has to be seen at the location of the rifle in reasonable time-proximity to the shooting and not be seen anywhere else at the time of the shooting. How do we even guarantee that location will be vacant at the time of the shooting? How do we have both LHO and our sniper in place in time for the whole charade to play out? What if some of the workers decide to watch the motorcade from the 6th floor – huh?

Damn, this is a serious problem. We could have a couple of well-dressed thugs – even dressed as cops, perhaps – inside the TSBD to restrain and muzzle LHO for ten minutes before and after the assassination, but how do we assure this activity isn’t observed? Even if they were dressed as cops and even if they shot LHO after the assassination, how would we guarantee this activity wasn’t observed? Somehow, we absolutely have to have LHO and our sniper alone on the 6th floor by themselves when the assassination occurs.

Put your brains to work, my fellow conspirators. Someone suggests we make sure the elevators are stuck? OK, good, as long as everyone else goes down and only LHO, a thug or two and our sniper remain. How do we guarantee that? Hypnosis, maybe? Just thinking outside the box here.

What if LHO somehow exits the TSBD, someone asks? No, that simply cannot be allowed to happen. We’re not idiots here – he is not going to exit the TSBD. There simply has to be someone dressed as a cop on the stairwell who shoots him as a last resort. Bugsy, that will be you. If you aren’t needed, just blend in and walk out.

Wow, I really am an amateur at this. Even the cleanest conspiracy I can think of has a frightening number of loose ends. And this is the problem I see with absolutely every conspiracy theory. They are all overly complicated, unrealistic Rube Goldberg contraptions that no Presidential assassin worth his salt would ever have bought into. They all start with a conspiracy as though it were axiomatic and work backwards to try fit LHO into it.

Well, hell, what does this patsy nonsense add to our plan anyway, except unacceptable complexity and risk? Forget LHO. Let’s just flood Dealey Plaza with kill teams, leave a bunch of pro-Castro leaflets and other clues laying around, and create so much confusion no one can ever figure out what happened or why! Genius, no?
« Last Edit: February 09, 2025, 05:59:22 PM by Lance Payette »

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If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« on: February 09, 2025, 05:55:33 PM »


Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2025, 12:28:05 AM »
What is it with this obsession of yours with conspiracies, you claim don't exist?

Are all those self-serving arguments why a conspiracy, in your opinion, could or would not have worked, supposed to somehow justify the conclusion that Oswald was a lone gun man?

You claim to be an ex-lawyer, so you should understand that the best way to disprove a conspiracy is by presenting a solid, conclusive case against Oswald.
So, why not do that instead of constantly arguing that a conspiracy is improbable or even impossible?

Online Tom Mahon

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2025, 12:43:27 AM »

What is it with this obsession of yours with conspiracies, you claim don't exist?


Which "The CIA Did It" JFKA conspiracy theory do you like to obsess on the most?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2025, 12:48:17 AM »
Which "The CIA Did It" JFKA conspiracy theory do you like to obsess on the most?

I don't obsess about any.

It's really very simple; there was some kind of conspiracy or Oswald did it alone.
I don't really care either way, but I would like to see conclusive evidence that Oswald was in fact the lone gunman.

Got any?

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2025, 01:33:59 AM »
I would like to see conclusive evidence that Oswald was in fact the lone gunman.

Do you have any convincing evidence that he wasn't?

If it was a conspiracy, how many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2025, 01:50:36 AM »
Do you have any convincing evidence that he wasn't?

If it was a conspiracy, how many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Do you have any convincing evidence that he wasn't?

Don't you understand just how stupid it is to ask for a negative to be be proven? Since when does anybody need to be proven to be innocent?

If it was a conspiracy, how many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Another stupid question. If you can provide conclusive evidence that Oswald was a lone gunman, you wouldn't have to ask silly questions like this.

Got any conclusive proof?
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2025, 02:02:19 AM »
Do you have any convincing evidence that he wasn't?

Don't you understand just how stupid it is to ask for a negative to be be proven?

If it was a conspiracy, how many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Another stupid question. If you can provide conclusive evidence that Oswald was a lone gunman, you wouldn't have to ask silly questions like this.

Got any conclusive proof?
Amazing. You have literally written hundreds if not thousands of posts here demanding that lone assassin believers PROVE that the evidence against Oswald wasn't faked or planted. Otherwise you won't accept it because "it's possible" it was manufactured. "Prove the rifle wasn't planted." "Prove the backyard photos aren't faked." "Prove that the fingerprints weren't planted". On and on and on. A endless series of demands to prove something didn't happen.

You now admit that same demand you use of having to prove a negative is stupid. Right, we knew that but it's good for you to admit it. Congratulations.


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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2025, 02:14:09 AM »
Amazing. You have literally written hundreds if not thousands of posts here demanding that lone assassin believers PROVE that the evidence against Oswald wasn't faked or planted. Otherwise you won't accept it because "it's possible" it was manufactured. "Prove the rifle wasn't planted." "Prove the backyard photos aren't faked." "Prove that the fingerprints weren't planted". On and on and on. A endless series of demands to prove something didn't happen.

You now admit that same demand you use of having to prove a negative is stupid. Right, we knew that but it's good for you to admit it. Congratulations.

You have literally written hundreds if not thousands of posts here demanding that lone assassin believers PROVE that the evidence against Oswald wasn't faked or planted.

Liar! I have questioned the evidence and asked for authentication. That's not the same as asking for proof that the evidence wasn't faked or planted.
What is really amazing is that you don't understand the difference.

Btw do you actually think it's reasonable to consider somebody to be guilty until proven innocent?

Otherwise you won't accept it because "it's possible" it was manufactured.

What piece of evidence did I claim was manufactured? Be precise.... just show me a link to one of my posts or shut up!

"Prove the rifle wasn't planted." "Prove the backyard photos aren't faked." "Prove that the fingerprints weren't planted". On and on and on.

Just how pathetic your claims are is demonstrated by the mere fact that I have never claimed that the backyard photos were faked. I actually consider them to be authentic.

You now admit that same demand you use of having to prove a negative is stupid. Right, we knew that but it's good for you to admit it. Congratulations.

I'm glad that you agree that asking for a negative to be proven is stupid. Now, be so kind and never do it again!
« Last Edit: February 10, 2025, 02:19:46 AM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
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