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« Reply #264 on: February 20, 2025, 01:02:04 AM »
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Are you saying these affidavits were faked?
Are you suggesting someone else just made up the contents of the affidavits then asked Baker and Truly to have a look through them?
Why do you think the signatures are different? Are you saying someone faked their signatures?
Are you just waffling because you know how damaging this affidavit is to your theory?
What, exactly, are you saying?

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Are you saying these affidavits were faked?

No.

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Are you suggesting someone else just made up the contents of the affidavits then asked Baker and Truly to have a look through them?

The two documents were written by the same someone else, most probably the man who witnessed both "Burnett" and were based on established facts and when a human error was observed, Baker corrected the mistake. What is odd that you are placing so much emphasis on a correction that was left in the Official records, like only you have Sherlock Holmes like abilities to decipher the truth.

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Why do you think the signatures are different? Are you saying someone faked their signatures?

WTF? Both Baker and Truly looked over the documents, then when satisfied, signed them. How deep does your conspiracy go?

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Are you just waffling because you know how damaging this affidavit is to your theory?

Damaging? If Oswald was carrying around a coke, which he could have purchased at any time, how is that in any way problematic?

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What, exactly, are you saying?

I'm saying, "let me out of this madhouse"!!!

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #265 on: February 20, 2025, 01:08:30 AM »
DVP's site has an extensive discussion of the circumstances under which these particular affidavits were hurriedly prepared...

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/oswald-baker-truly-and-coca-cola.html

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #266 on: February 20, 2025, 01:32:06 AM »

"This is, alas, the old "wrestling with a pig" thing. The pig - that would be you in this analogy - enjoys it."

This is one of the creepiest things ever posted on this forum.

Sorry, but whenever the wrestling with a pig analogy is trotted out, someone has to be the pig. You're the one who pretty clearly enjoys the JFKA mudfest. (I see creepier things here all the time, but thanks for the compliment. Oink, oink.)

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Who has come up with this theory that Oswald's rifle was planted on the 6th floor but no shots were fired from the 6th floor?
What on earth are you talking about?
Are you having some kind of genuine breakdown?
Really, where are you getting the idea from that no shots were fired from the 6th floor?

I'm beginning to suspect your pose of vast knowledge about the JFKA is just that, a pose. FWIW, the highly respected folks at Dealey Plaza UK entertained this very possibility in 2018: http://dealeyplazauk.com/uncategorized/no-shots-fired-from-t-s-b-d/

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Where are you getting this phrase from that you keep repeating - "into the hairline"?
"Into"?
"Above the hairline" - "Above" - this is the top of the head.
You're starting to sound like a confused old man.

Here is the actual testimony. Unless you have a very odd-shaped head, which I suspect you do, 2-1/2" above the hairline is not the "top of the head." "Right along in here" would be rather an odd way to describe the top of the head.

Mr. EUINS. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell whether his hair was dark or light?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUING. I would say about right along in here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2-1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.

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"You'll have to refresh my memory - please do - as to where Euins described the shooter appearing to be lefthanded."

If you can't even be bothered to read what's being posted don't expect me to spoon feed you what's going on.
That's just so lazy on your behalf.

Nice try. Euins said nothing about the shooter appearing to be lefthanded. As with your top of the head assertion, this is merely your spin on what he actually said.

You might want to reconsider your approach. Nobody wins a snarky-fest with me, bub. I spent 40 years out-snarkying other professionals in the snarkiest profession of them all.

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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #267 on: February 20, 2025, 02:10:50 AM »
This is the two-shot book to which I was referring, and I now realize Jack Nessan is one of the authors! https://www.amazon.sg/Phantom-Shot-Eyewitnesses-Solve-Assassination/dp/1492738956

I hadn't made the connection to Jack when I mentioned it.

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« Reply #268 on: February 20, 2025, 02:43:37 AM »
Amos Euins did NOT identify Lee Oswald in that window..

Mr. SPECTER. How would you describe that man for us?
Mr. EUINS. I wouldn't know how to describe him, because all I could see was the spot and his hand.

Mr. SPECTER. Was he slender or was he fat?
Mr. EUINS. I didn't get to see him.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell from where you looked whether he was tall or short?
Mr. EUINS. No.

Mr. SPECTER. Of what race was he, Amos?
Mr. EUINS. I couldn't tell, because these boxes were throwing a reflection, shaded.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell whether he was a Negro gentleman or a white man?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Couldn't even tell that? But you have described that he had a bald--
Mr. EUINS. Spot in his head. Yes, sir; I could see the bald spot in his head.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, could you tell what color hair he had?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell whether his hair was dark or light?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUINS. I would say about right along in here.

Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2 1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, did you get a very good look at that man, Amos?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir; I did not
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Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to tell anything about the clothes he was wearing?
Mr. EUINS: No, sir.

Either did Howard Brennan

Mr. BELIN. All right. Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?

Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color
of the shirt or a little lighter.
And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.

Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.

Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. BRENNAN. I don't know whether you have that in the record or not. I am sure you do.

Also supposed to be mistaken were, Buell Frazier, Linnie Mae Randle, Marion Baker, Vickie Adams, Sandra Styles, Jack Dougherty,
Arnold Rowland, Carolyn Walther, Richard Carr, Johnny Powell, Roger Craig, Ruby Henderson, Helen Forrest, Roy Cooper and Marvin Robinson.

..and so many others that destroy the case against Oswald.
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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #269 on: February 20, 2025, 03:41:00 AM »
Amos Euins did NOT identify Lee Oswald in that window..

Mr. SPECTER. How would you describe that man for us?
Mr. EUINS. I wouldn't know how to describe him, because all I could see was the spot and his hand.

Mr. SPECTER. Was he slender or was he fat?
Mr. EUINS. I didn't get to see him.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell from where you looked whether he was tall or short?
Mr. EUINS. No.

Mr. SPECTER. Of what race was he, Amos?
Mr. EUINS. I couldn't tell, because these boxes were throwing a reflection, shaded.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell whether he was a Negro gentleman or a white man?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Couldn't even tell that? But you have described that he had a bald--
Mr. EUINS. Spot in his head. Yes, sir; I could see the bald spot in his head.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, could you tell what color hair he had?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you tell whether his hair was dark or light?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUINS. I would say about right along in here.

Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2 1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, did you get a very good look at that man, Amos?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir; I did not
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Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to tell anything about the clothes he was wearing?
Mr. EUINS: No, sir.

Either did Howard Brennan

Mr. BELIN. All right. Could you see the man's trousers at all?
Do you remember any color?

Mr. BRENNAN. I remembered them at that time as being similar to the same color
of the shirt or a little lighter.
And that was another thing that I called their attention to at the lineup.

Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by that?
Mr. BRENNAN. That he was not dressed in the same clothes that I saw the man in the window.

Mr. BELIN. You mean with reference to the trousers or the shirt?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, not particularly either. In other words, he just didn't have the same clothes on.

Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. BRENNAN. I don't know whether you have that in the record or not. I am sure you do.

Also supposed to be mistaken were, Buell Frazier, Linnie Mae Randle, Marion Baker, Vickie Adams, Sandra Styles, Jack Dougherty,
Arnold Rowland, Carolyn Walther, Richard Carr, Johnny Powell, Roger Craig, Ruby Henderson, Helen Forrest, Roy Cooper and Marvin Robinson.

..and so many others that destroy the case against Oswald.

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Amos Euins did NOT identify Lee Oswald in that window..

Who said he did? As you point out Euins(who was just a boy) testimony doesn't say much, so what's your point?

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Either did Howard Brennan

Considering out of all the windows facing Elm Street, most of the windows contained people who were either women or Black men, and Brennan gave a first day description that was very close to Oswald. White, slim, about 5'10" looked around 30(Oswald thinning hair is a visual clue) and he said Oswald was wearing a light Khaki shirt and much to Dan's dismay, I showed Oswald's shirt in bright sunlight that appears to be a light Khaki type colour.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what kind of clothes he was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. Light colored clothes, more of a khaki color.




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Also supposed to be mistaken were, Buell Frazier,

Frazier said he didn't pay much attention to Oswald's package, and since Oswald said that the package contained curtain rods, why would Frazier have any need to pay attention to Oswald's package? But Frazier did remember that the package was a long brown paper package and funnily enough a long brown paper package was discovered in the Sniper's nest with Oswald's prints. And along with Oswald contradicting Frazier about the contents and where in Frazier's car he placed the package, then we can confirm that Frazier strengthens the case against Oswald.

A very observant fellow member whose name alludes me at the present time, discovered that on the afternoon of the assassination, a photo was taken of Oswald's rifle bag in very close proximity to where the shells were discovered.





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Linnie Mae Randle,

Linnie originally told the FBI that the package was about 3 feet long and later when her brother stared sh!tting bricks about being involved, her length started reducing. Another good eyewitness who confirms Oswald was carrying a long brown package.

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Marion Baker,

Baker saw the same person as Truly who actually knew Oswald and the layout of the Depository, how is that a problem?

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Vickie Adams,

She said she sells sea shell by the sea.. that she saw Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor when she first arrived, an impossibility.

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Sandra Styles,

She later said that she was sure they stayed upstairs longer.

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Jack Dougherty,

Read his testimony!

I could go through the rest of your problem eyewitnesses but I couldn't be bothered because the Mountain of Concrete Evidence still to this day hasn't been refuted.

Btw, Hi Michael, hope you are well!

JohnM

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #270 on: February 20, 2025, 04:00:12 AM »
No.

The two documents were written by the same someone else, most probably the man who witnessed both "Burnett" and were based on established facts and when a human error was observed, Baker corrected the mistake. What is odd that you are placing so much emphasis on a correction that was left in the Official records, like only you have Sherlock Holmes like abilities to decipher the truth.

WTF? Both Baker and Truly looked over the documents, then when satisfied, signed them. How deep does your conspiracy go?

Damaging? If Oswald was carrying around a coke, which he could have purchased at any time, how is that in any way problematic?

I'm saying, "let me out of this madhouse"!!!

JohnM

like only you have Sherlock Holmes like abilities to decipher the truth.

Funny you would say that, because you, who clearly has no Sherlock Holmes like abilities, constantly acts as if he knows what really happened.

I'm saying, "let me out of this madhouse"!!!

The door is permanently wide open, yet you never leave. Why is that?


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« Reply #271 on: February 20, 2025, 06:21:57 AM »

I'm saying, "let me out of this madhouse"!!!

The door is permanently wide open, yet you never leave. Why is that?

What are you talking about?

I leave and have long breaks all the time.

After mid February 2024, I left till June and and after posting in July, I posted once in October and once in November then started again at the end of January, it's called having a life.

Whereas you left recently but as soon as I start posting again you attach yourself to me like a disease ridden parasite.

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Re: If I had planned the conspiracy ...
« Reply #271 on: February 20, 2025, 06:21:57 AM »