Debunking the "Jet Effect"?

[John Mytton]

It's amazing what kind of garbage people will invent and rationalize (even Nobel prize winners) in order to maintain their fiction.

Another Brainless Kook who thinks he's smarter than a Nobel Prize winner in physics who actually reproduced his theorization with real world experiments.
But what you and your Keyboard Warrior mates can't handle is that forever more, the Zapruder film shows only Kennedy's head being thrust forward and down and away from Oswald's rifle on the 6th floor. Case Closed.



JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Another Brainless Kook who thinks he's smarter than a Nobel Prize winner in physics who actually reproduced his theorization with real world experiments.
But what you and your Keyboard Warrior mates can't handle is that forever more, the Zapruder film shows only Kennedy's head being thrust forward and down and away from Oswald's rifle on the 6th floor. Case Closed.



JohnM

Are you having a senior moment John?
JFK's initial head movement is forward because he's just been shot in the back of the head.
What's that got to do with the Jet Effect?

[John Mytton]

Are you having a senior moment John?
JFK's initial head movement is forward because he's just been shot in the back of the head.
What's that got to do with the Jet Effect?

Are you having a senior moment John?

I'm not a senior but don't let facts get in the way of your delusional accusations.

JFK's initial head movement is forward because he's just been shot in the back of the head.

Yes, exactly.

What's that got to do with the Jet Effect?

What happens after the initial impact on a medically proven one point entry, is essentially worthless in solving the crime.

JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

I'm not a senior but don't let facts get in the way of your delusional accusations.

Yes, exactly.

What happens after the initial impact on a medically proven one point entry, is essentially worthless in solving the crime.

JohnM

"What happens after the initial impact on a medically proven one point entry, is essentially worthless in solving the crime."

Are you sure you're not having a senior moment?
You're not making any sense.
I'll try again, what does it have to do with the Jet Effect?
Please gather your thoughts before coming up with a coherent answer.

[John Mytton]

"What happens after the initial impact on a medically proven one point entry, is essentially worthless in solving the crime."

Are you sure you're not having a senior moment?
You're not making any sense.
I'll try again, what does it have to do with the Jet Effect?
Please gather your thoughts before coming up with a coherent answer.

Are you having comprehension problems, if so let me repeat my comment.

What happens after the initial impact on a medically proven one point entry, is essentially worthless in solving the crime.

And I already stated earlier with examples of Real World reproductions of what happened after, that explains why Kennedy went back and to the left.
But let me further clarify, Kennedy was shot from behind, the majority of the internal pressure escaped through the front right side of Kennedy's head and therefore the reaction was in the exact opposite direction of back and to the left.



Now you may theorize that a second undetected bullet which left no damage came from the front right and that is your right, but you'd be wrong.

JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Are you having comprehension problems, if so let me repeat my comment.

What happens after the initial impact on a medically proven one point entry, is essentially worthless in solving the crime.

Yes John, I am having problems comprehending what you're posting but I don't think that's on me.
I still haven't got a clue what the above comment has to do with the Jet Effect.
I'm not going to ask for you to clarify it again as it's getting nowhere.
What happens after the initial impact is worthless in solving the crime??
If any other forum member can help me understand what this comment has to do with the Jet Effect, please help.

And I already stated earlier with examples of Real World reproductions of what happened after, that explains why Kennedy went back and to the left.
But let me further clarify, Kennedy was shot from behind, the majority of the internal pressure escaped through the front right side of Kennedy's head and therefore the reaction was in the exact opposite direction of back and to the left.

 "...the majority of the internal pressure escaped through the front right side of Kennedy's head..."

What evidence do you have for this?
Especially when you are showing an image that clearly demonstrates the pressure escaped through the top of his head.

Now you may theorize that a second undetected bullet which left no damage came from the front right and that is your right, but you'd be wrong.

JohnM

WTF are you on about?

[John Mytton]

Yes John, I am having problems comprehending what you're posting but I don't think that's on me.
I still haven't got a clue what the above comment has to do with the Jet Effect.
I'm not going to ask for you to clarify it again as it's getting nowhere.
What happens after the initial impact is worthless in solving the crime??
If any other forum member can help me understand what this comment has to do with the Jet Effect, please help.

 "...the majority of the internal pressure escaped through the front right side of Kennedy's head..."

What evidence do you have for this?
Especially when you are showing an image that clearly demonstrates the pressure escaped through the top of his head.

WTF are you on about?

What evidence do you have for this?
Especially when you are showing an image that clearly demonstrates the pressure escaped through the top of his head.

As I said, at the time of the headshot the front right side opens up, hence the exposed bone flap and huge plume of matter all on the front right side(or do you need a pair of glasses?) and according to Newtons law of physics the equal an opposite direction is back and to the left!





JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

As I said, at the time of the headshot the front right side opens up, hence the exposed bone flap and huge plume of matter all on the front right side(or do you need a pair of glasses?) and according to Newtons law of physics the equal an opposite direction is back and to the left!





JohnM

You posted this in an earlier Reply:

This high contrast image of Zapruder frame 313 shows a clear expulsion of matter out the front.



It 100% does NOT show the "expulsion of matter out the front".
How you see it that way is baffling.
There is a 'halo' of material all around his head, in every direction, and there is an incredibly clear trail of individual pieces of skull/brain matter being blown upwards.
This trail of material is, by far, the most obvious indication of the direction of the "expulsion of matter". This is not up for debate.
Your insistence that this emerges from the front right of the head is clearly incorrect.
In an earlier Reply, where I have completely debunked Alvarez's childish notion of a Jet Effect, I posted this:

In z313 we can see what appears to be two "jets" leaving JFK's head, one is very distinct and the other is harder to see. I would argue that these are NOT continuous columns of material/matter and, as such, cannot provide any kind of recoil effect:



In the image below I have highlighted the two "jets" with red lines.
The yellow line is a line drawn through the top of JFK's head to show it's orientation (I've eyeballed it but it's pretty close):



Even if it were the case that these "jets" were continuous, and thus connected to the head system, the main "jet" would be driving JFK's head down and forward, not back and to the left.

I have no doubt that you will continue to believe there was a continuous flow of material exiting the front right of JFK's head causing a Jet Effect, even when the evidence completely debunks such a silly notion.

However, it is important to understand the mechanics of the head shot.
The first force acting on the head is the bullet striking high up and at the back of JFK's head, pushing it forward.
Unusually, the bullet fragments and these fragments travel forward, through the head. Some cause "cavitation and exit towards the front of the skull where they create the second 'forward' force as they encounter and pass through the inside of the skull.
Cavitation causes a pressure wave in the brain tissue and this pressure blows large pieces of the already shattered skull through the top of the head.
These pieces of skull shred the scalp as they travel upwards.
A massive piece of scalp, torn at the crown of the head, is blasted to the right side of the head by the pressure wave and opens up the right side of the head as if it were on a hinge near the right ear. On the inside of this massive piece of scalp there are a couple of very large pieces of skull. On piece remains attached, as can be seen in the Z-film, the other piece comes loose as is thrown forward as the scalp opens up at tremendous speed.
The opening of this massive hinged piece of scalp/skull causes a halo of blood mist around the head in all directions.