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Online David Von Pein

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2025, 05:13:13 AM »
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All I do is question the evidence and ask questions LNs seem to be unable to answer in a credible manner.

Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History"?

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2025, 05:13:13 AM »


Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2025, 05:21:19 AM »
Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History"?

The only book I have ever read about the assassination is the WC report.
I'm not really interested in the opinion of some biased (either pro or contra) writer and prefer to form my own opinion based on actual evidence, instead of somebody telling me what that evidence means.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2025, 06:58:05 AM »
Typical LN thinking.

It's really very simple, yet a clown like Mytton simply doesn't understand. There are basically two possibilities; either Oswald did it alone or there must have been a conspiracy.

So, when I question the evidence against Oswald and the LNs come up short in answering my questions (as they frequently do) the likelihood of a conspiracy increases.

It's the inability of the LNs to prove their case against Oswald that actually makes a conspiracy more likely.

The post that I am replying to is a perfect example. I've have never said that my theory is that there was a conspiracy. That's just something Mytton made up, because he desperately needs something to attack me with, when he should be spending his time in providing conclusive evidence and convincing arguments for Oswald's guilt in a honest debate. He doesn't do that because he knows just how weak the case against Oswald really is, so he tries to divert attention away by playing silly games.

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when he should be spending his time in providing conclusive evidence and convincing arguments for Oswald's guilt in a honest debate.

Since I really don't know what your personal definition of what constitutes "conclusive evidence" entails, can you please explain, so I know what standard is required to satisfy a standard of guilt or innocence!
And then explain to the me in your own words, what you believe is the difference between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "guilty beyond all doubt".

JohnM




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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2025, 07:11:40 AM »
Since I really don't know what your personal definition of what constitutes "conclusive evidence" entails, can you please explain, so I know what standard is required to satisfy a standard of guilt or innocence!
And then explain to the me in your own words, what you believe is the difference between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "guilty beyond all doubt".

JohnM

Oh boy, where to begin.....

Why don't you try by presenting evidence that's selfexplanatory without the long winded explanations about what you think it means (when it usually doesn't) and stop misrepresenting the actual details of the case?

Since I really don't know what your personal definition of what constitutes "conclusive evidence" entails,

You really don't know what conclusive evidence is? Wow! That explains a lot.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2025, 07:24:14 AM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2025, 07:21:13 AM »
Oh boy, where to being.....

Why don't you try by presenting evidence that's selfexplanatory without the long winded explanations about what you think it means (when it usually doesn't) and stop misrepresenting the actual details of the case?

Since I really don't know what your personal definition of what constitutes "conclusive evidence" entails,

You really don't know what conclusive evidence is? Wow! That explains a lot.

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Oh boy, where to being.....

Yes, I'm eagerly awaiting!

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Why don't you try by presenting evidence that's selfexplanatory without the long winded explanations about what you think it means (when it usually doesn't) and stop misrepresenting the actual details of the case?

And as expected it appears you haven't the foggiest. This is not a good start.

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You really don't know what conclusive evidence is? Wow! That explains a lot.

Exactly I have no idea what you believe to be "conclusive evidence", that's why I asked the question!
So without further ado, please tell me what you think is your definition of "conclusive evidence" and then instead of the endless roadblocks maybe we can forge ahead and together we solve this case, K?

JohnM

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2025, 07:21:13 AM »


Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2025, 08:16:26 PM »
But there's nothing that would have prevented Ruth from just making up a couple of lies on Day 1 (Nov. 22) about how she did see the rifle in the garage and also seeing Oswald leaving the house on 11/22 with a long package.

If she had, how would you distinguish between Ruth lying to frame Oswald and Ruth telling the truth because Oswald really did all that?

This is another example of the LN-faithful trying to have it both ways.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2025, 08:22:35 PM »
Yes, I'm eagerly awaiting!

And as expected it appears you haven't the foggiest. This is not a good start.

Exactly I have no idea what you believe to be "conclusive evidence", that's why I asked the question!
So without further ado, please tell me what you think is your definition of "conclusive evidence" and then instead of the endless roadblocks maybe we can forge ahead and together we solve this case, K?

JohnM

I have already told you.  Conclusive evidence is selfexplanatory and doesn't require long winded explanations and assumptions
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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2025, 08:29:37 PM »
In the same vein, I've never understood (or have been giving a plausible explanation for) why Michael Paine suddenly decided to leave work early and drive to Irving "to see if he could help".

Not to mention the "we both know who is responsible" phone call.

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Re: Why is Ruth Paine still alive?
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2025, 08:29:37 PM »