A hole in Bledsoe's story?

[Martin Weidmann]

Bledsoe testified that she recognized the shirt, previously shown to her at her house, by the Secret Service, because it had a hole in the right elbow.

Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed it.
Mr. BALL - I know. What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, because I can recognize it.
Mr. BALL - Recognize it as what?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, sir; see there?
Mr. BALL - Yes. You tell me what do you see here? What permits you to recognize it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I recognize---first thing I notice the elbow is out and then I saw---when the man brought it out and let me see it?
Mr. BALL - No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now, and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is it"?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is the one he had out there that day?
Mr. BALL - Who had it out there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Some Secret Service man.
Mr. BALL - He brought it out. Now, I am---you have seen this shirt then before?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.
Mr. BALL - Who had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald.
Mr. BALL - Oswald had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald had it on.
Mr. BALL - Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What is there about it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this [indicating]? I remember that.
Mr. BALL - Tell me what you see there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---that is part I recognize more than anything.
Mr. BALL - You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

So, where is the hole?

[John Mytton]

So, where is the hole?

They took two photos of Oswald's shirt, front and back, and they simply folded the sleaves so the elbow hole is visible in one view and not the other.





Bledsoe was on McWatters bus. McWatters in his testimony and Bledsoe in her next day affidavit and her testimony describe many of the same events.



AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe, w/f 67, 621 N. Marsalis, Dallas, Texas, Telephone WH2-1985 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Last Friday, November 22, 1963, I went downtown to see the President. I stood on Main Street just across the street from Titche's until the parade passed by. The I walked over to Elm Street and caught a bus to go home. The bus traveled West on Elm Street to about Murphy Street and made a stop and that is when I saw Lee Oswald get on the bus. The traffic was heavy and it took quite sometime [sic] to travel two or three blocks. During that time someone made the statement that the President had been shot and while the bus was stopped due to the heavy traffic, Oswald got off the bus and I didn't see him again. I know this man was Lee Oswald because he lived in my home from October 7, 1963 to October 14, 1963.

/s/ Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 23rd DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Patsy Collins
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

This is not the shirt...
The shirt in question has 2 no buttoned pockets.


She breaks down here>>>
Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---

Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.

But...how could Bledsoe see a tear in the sleeve and missing buttons on the bus before the cops ripped it?

[John Mytton]

This is not the shirt...
The shirt in question has 2 no buttoned pockets.


But...how could Bledsoe see a tear in the sleeve on the bus before the cops ripped it?

This is not the shirt...
The shirt in question has 2 no buttoned pockets.

It also has a manufacturers label and Oswald's brown shirt does not.

But...how could Bledsoe see a tear in the sleeve on the bus before the cops ripped it?

It's not a tear, but a well established hole with dirty ragged fraying edges.



And just to demonstrate that there is indeed a hole in the sleave as opposed to a tear which is being stretched open, I made this GIF showing the existing pattern of the shirt, definitively proving an old hole exists. BTW I used yellow squiggly lines, just for you!



Not Oswald's shirt but the hole in the elbow shows the typical similar fraying.




JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Anyone genuinely interested in this specific issue should visit Pat Speer's website where he covers it in detail:
https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-4b-threads-of-evidence

Here is a snippet from this chapter:



Pattern Recognition

The slide above presents a comparison of Oswald's right arm in the Winfrey and Heikes photos with the National Archives' photo of the shirt, in which the hole in the elbow is now readily apparent. The relative size of the sleeves was matched up by the pattern of the fabric. And yet the hole in the elbow in the archives photo is nowhere to be seen in the two photos taken on 11-22-63.

Hmmm... It seems clear the hole would have been apparent in the 11-22-63 photos, should the hole have existed at the time of the photos. But it is nowhere to be seen.

But let's triple-check this, just to be sure.



Hole-y Shirt!

Well, I'm sold. The Warren Commission and FBI, in order to silence skeptics claiming the shirt Oswald was wearing on the evening of 11-22-63 was not the shirt whose fibers matched the fibers found on the rifle, decided to re-create some of the press photos of Oswald on that evening, to demonstrate the shirts were one and the same. They then had FBI photo analyst Lyndal Shaneyfelt testify that the shirts matched. He did so on 9-1-64.

The problem, as one can tell by comparing the Dallas-Times Herald photo at right above with Shaneyfelt's recreation of this photo (at middle above), is that the recreated photo shows a hole in the elbow where no hole was apparent on the 22nd.

That Shaneyfelt was aware of this problem is suggested, moreover, by the extremely dark nature of the original photo as presented in Shaneyfelt's exhibit (at left above). It's as if he was trying to hide something... Hmmm...

In any event, I've concluded that someone (almost certainly the FBI itself) put a hole in the elbow of the shirt, in order to effect an ID of the shirt by Bledsoe.


What are the general thoughts about SSA Sorrels taking a piece of evidence out to the Bledsoe household?
In what universe does that just go under the radar?

[John Mytton]

Anyone genuinely interested in this specific issue should visit Pat Speer's website where he covers it in detail:
https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-4b-threads-of-evidence

Here is a snippet from this chapter:



Pattern Recognition

The slide above presents a comparison of Oswald's right arm in the Winfrey and Heikes photos with the National Archives' photo of the shirt, in which the hole in the elbow is now readily apparent. The relative size of the sleeves was matched up by the pattern of the fabric. And yet the hole in the elbow in the archives photo is nowhere to be seen in the two photos taken on 11-22-63.

Hmmm... It seems clear the hole would have been apparent in the 11-22-63 photos, should the hole have existed at the time of the photos. But it is nowhere to be seen.

But let's triple-check this, just to be sure.



Hole-y Shirt!

Well, I'm sold. The Warren Commission and FBI, in order to silence skeptics claiming the shirt Oswald was wearing on the evening of 11-22-63 was not the shirt whose fibers matched the fibers found on the rifle, decided to re-create some of the press photos of Oswald on that evening, to demonstrate the shirts were one and the same. They then had FBI photo analyst Lyndal Shaneyfelt testify that the shirts matched. He did so on 9-1-64.

The problem, as one can tell by comparing the Dallas-Times Herald photo at right above with Shaneyfelt's recreation of this photo (at middle above), is that the recreated photo shows a hole in the elbow where no hole was apparent on the 22nd.

That Shaneyfelt was aware of this problem is suggested, moreover, by the extremely dark nature of the original photo as presented in Shaneyfelt's exhibit (at left above). It's as if he was trying to hide something... Hmmm...

In any event, I've concluded that someone (almost certainly the FBI itself) put a hole in the elbow of the shirt, in order to effect an ID of the shirt by Bledsoe.


What are the general thoughts about SSA Sorrels taking a piece of evidence out to the Bledsoe household?
In what universe does that just go under the radar?

In any event, I've concluded that someone (almost certainly the FBI itself) put a hole in the elbow of the shirt, in order to effect an ID of the shirt by Bledsoe.

Uh uh!



When comparing the corresponding landmarks of the wrist split and allowing for the shirt sleave twisted and bunching in the arrest photo we can see the holes are in the relative same position.



JohnM

JohnM

[Charles Collins]

Sadly, this image speaks the truth. What does it say about us? Maybe that we should honestly reconsider our prejudices? I think that a lot of the conspiracy theory books, movies, etc have also been sold based on the idea of appealing to the general public’s natural distrust of the people in power in the government. Not that I think we should blindly trust them. We do in this country have the right to publicly question things. It is just I believe that the attitude of “I will never believe anything the government tells me” is apparently way too common. Ask the questions, because that is being responsible. But at some point in time, after the questions have all been answered, the attitude (prejudice) becomes obvious and ridiculous. I think this hole in the shirt idea is a good example.

[John Mytton]

But let's triple-check this, just to be sure.



Hole-y Shirt!

Huh?

The hole in Shaneyfelt's recreation is being obscured by the Detective's jacket in the Press photo.



JohnM