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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #824 on: September 21, 2018, 12:47:43 AM »
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How many of them were behaving like they were avoiding the police in the aftermath of not one but two major crimes?

The sum total evidence that he was "avoiding the police":  He looked funny and scared to Brewer.

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How many snuck into a theater without buying a ticket? The latter, IIRC, is considered criminal trespass in Texas and is a class B misdemeanor. The police had Oswald just on that.

That would have been really hard for them to prove, given that nobody actually saw or remembered him entering the theater.  And he wasn't arrested for criminal trespass, he was arrested for murder.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #825 on: September 21, 2018, 12:51:45 AM »
ALL BY HERSELF, Mytton?

Your desperation is showing.

Are you suggesting the dictabelt transcripts are not complete?  Interesting...

When did she say anything about the vent window?  She said the passenger side window was rolled down.

Did Benavides have a police uniform on?

It's bizarre that she didn't understand "Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?"

How much do you need?  Why do you have this bizarre need to try to explain her bizarre statements away?  Still not a single bizarre thing that Roger Craig said then?

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ALL BY HERSELF, Mytton?

You don't need to shout and who's Mytton, I'm "Mytton"

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Your desperation is showing.

I pointed out how she gave first aid, it's only your desperation that is showing.

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Are you suggesting the dictabelt transcripts are not complete?  Interesting...

How do the transcripts show someone trying?

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When did she say anything about the vent window?  She said the passenger side window was rolled down.

The vent window was open. Markham assumed the window was rolled down, how does that impact her testimony?

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Did Benavides have a police uniform on?

What, plain clothes Policemen don't exist?

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It's bizarre that she didn't understand "Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?"

Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.


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How much do you need?

Well when you have something conclusive I'll let you know.

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Why do you have this bizarre need to try to explain her bizarre statements away?

When you point out a bizarre statement then we can deal with it.

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Still not a single bizarre thing that Roger Craig said then?

As your above list shows, your self serving interpretation of what is bizarre is nothing of the sort.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #826 on: September 21, 2018, 12:58:18 AM »
Still don't have any evidence that C2766 was Oswald's rifle?   Really?

Oh, please. Give it up already. Do we really need to go over this again ?

The evidence you claim doesn't exist is presented to you, then you try to dispute the evidence, then you go back to claiming it doesn't exist.

Is there a single piece of evidence in the case that you accept ?

There's no evidence you accept, you spend your entire time here insinuating that every piece of evidence is tainted or fabricated, yet at the same time claim you're not suggesting a conspiracy to frame Oswald.

Or do I have that wrong ?

What evidence against Oswald do you accept ?

Do you think there was a conspiracy to frame Oswald ?  If so, name some names already.

Should we start with Johnny Brewer ?

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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #827 on: September 21, 2018, 01:15:36 AM »
The sum total evidence that he was "avoiding the police":  He looked funny and scared to Brewer.

That would have been really hard for them to prove, given that nobody actually saw or remembered him entering the theater.  And he wasn't arrested for criminal trespass, he was arrested for murder.

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The sum total evidence that he was "avoiding the police":  He looked funny and scared to Brewer.

Brewer saw someone who was avoiding the Police then the Police find the same someone who has a gun and then tries to kill them with it, thank god for Brewer.

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That would have been really hard for them to prove, given that nobody actually saw or remembered him entering the theater.

Thanks for reinforcing that Oswald must have snuck into the theater. Thumb1:

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And he wasn't arrested for criminal trespass, he was arrested for murder.

Well John, when you kill people you get arrested.

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #828 on: September 21, 2018, 02:06:53 AM »

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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #829 on: September 21, 2018, 02:29:55 AM »
ALL BY HERSELF, Mytton?

Your desperation is showing.

Are you suggesting the dictabelt transcripts are not complete?  Interesting...

When did she say anything about the vent window?  She said the passenger side window was rolled down.

Did Benavides have a police uniform on?

It's bizarre that she didn't understand "Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?"

How much do you need?  Why do you have this bizarre need to try to explain her bizarre statements away?  Still not a single bizarre thing that Roger Craig said then?

This is the Markham testimony that "honest" JohnI uses and this explains why he never likes to support his ideas with the actual evidence. :-X

Markham was clearly saying that she saw nobody around until she was at Tippit's side. Naughty naughty.

Mr. DULLES. I see. You didn't see anybody else in the immediate neighborhood?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No; not until everything was over--I never seen anybody until I was at Mr. Tippit's side.


And here's the Markham-Tippit "conversation". Frank Cimino's FBI report said basically the same "but never said anything that he could understand." Naughty naughty, again.

Mr. DULLES. Mr. Tippit, Officer Tippit, didn't say anything to you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He tried to.
Mr. DULLES. He tried to?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. But he didn't succeed?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, I couldn't understand.


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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #830 on: September 21, 2018, 02:55:05 AM »
How many of them were behaving like they were avoiding the police in the aftermath of not one but two major crimes?
The sum total evidence that he was "avoiding the police":  He looked funny and scared to Brewer.
More than that. Police cars are approaching Brewer's store from the East, sirens blazing. A somewhat disheveled That Man (again, hereafter TM)  tucks into the vestibule at the store's entrance. He doesn't enter, but just stands there just outside the door and keeps his back turned to the street. Brewer notices that TM is staring (as you like to point out), but he's not staring at the merchandise in the store or the display cases on either side of the vestibule. The police cars make a U-turn at Zang, half a block short of reaching the shoe store, and head back to the East. TM looks over his shoulder, then proceeds in a Westerly direction, away from where the police cars came from. TM continues on until he reaches the Texas Theatre, when Brewer sees TM disappear into the recess at the front of the theater. Brewer walks to the theater, doesn't see the guy reappear, and notices TM isn't in front of the theater when Brewer gets there. Brewer realizes that TM had to have entered the theater, and asks the ticket clerk whether she'd sold TM a ticket. He gets a negative response; the guy snuck in. You might be the only sucker alive who couldn't see that as suspicious and evasive behavior.

How many snuck into a theater without buying a ticket? The latter, IIRC, is considered criminal trespass in Texas and is a class B misdemeanor. The police had Oswald just on that.
That would have been really hard for them to prove, given that nobody actually saw or remembered him entering the theater.  And he wasn't arrested for criminal trespass, he was arrested for murder.
He was arrested after he struck a policeman and pulled a gun.  Let me guess: you don't consider that suspicious behavior, either.

The criminal trespass thing would in itself have created probable cause to arrest and search Oswald once Brewer pointed him out.

However, we don't need to have a witness who actually saw TM enter the theater. Let me go over this again: Brewer saw TM walk to the theater and make a right into the recess at the front of the building. Brewer took off in that direction, didn't see TM reappear onto the sidewalk, and didn't see TM hanging out in the recess when Brewer got there. The only place TM could have gone is into the theater. Postal testified that she saw TM enter the recess,  but did not see him go past her when she turned to see what was going on West of the theater. Just based on her testimony, he could have turned around and headed back East, but Brewer's testimony rules that possibility out. And if Postal couldn't remember selling TM a ticket.....

And a good test of whether someone had bought a ticket is to see their ticket stub, BTW.
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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
« Reply #831 on: September 21, 2018, 03:53:04 AM »


This perfectly sums up our differing approaches to this case, you deceitfully present an image with no context and no explanation, whereas I present it all and let the Jury decide.



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Re: Why did Oswald go to the movies?
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