Buell Wesley Frazier

[John Mytton]

Btw, isn't it just too bad that, on Friday evening, Frazier was shown the bag found at the TSBD and instantly denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry that morning?

What, the bag found with Oswald's prints? Hahahaha!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

What, the bag found with Oswald's prints? Hahahaha!

JohnM

This is what happens when somebody doesn't know the evidence.

[John Mytton]

This is what happens when somebody doesn't know the evidence.

Oswald's prints on the bag.



Oswald's rifle was an exact fit for Oswald's rifle bag.



Care to try again!

JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Was it ever established when Oswald actually made the bag?
I was always under the impression that the bag would have to be made at the wrapping table because the tape that was used had to be wet and this would be done through a little machine at the wrapping table. Troy West was the wrapping guy, it was basically his thing, he got help now and then when times were busy but he was the full-time mail wrapper:

Mr. Belin.
If I wanted to use any of that tape, you know that tape that you use to seal it, is there a way to make tape wet so I don't have to lick it myself with my tongue to make it wet and sticky? Or how did you get it to be sticky and stick together?
Mr. West.
Well, we have those machines with the little round ball that we fill them up with water, and so we set them up. In to other words, I got a rack that we set them in, and so we put out tape in a machine, and whenever we pull the tape through, why then the water gets, you know, it gets water on it as we pull it through.
Mr. Belin.
If I wanted to pull the tape, pull off a piece without getting water on it, would I just lift it up without going over the wet roller and get the tape without getting it wet?
Mr. West.
You would have to take it out. You would have to take it out of the machine. See, it's put on there and then run through a little clamp that holds it down, and you pull it, well, then the water, it gets water on it.

The problem with this is that West was always at his table. As soon as he walked in the building he would go straight to the wrapping table where he had everything set up:
 
Mr. BELIN. Did you first go to the domino room and leave your lunch or hang up your coat or anything?
Mr. WEST. No, sir. I just always go right there first. Sometime I pull my coat off and lay it over on the table and go right on.
Mr. BELIN. How long did you stay about making coffee when you got there? How long did you stay around that place when you first got there?
Mr. WEST. Well, let's see, it didn't take me too long. I mean, you know, to make the coffee. After I got it made, I went right on and went right on at my work wrapping mail.


Other than going to the toilet or washing cups, West would stay at his station through the whole day.
So, when did Oswald make the bag?

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald's prints on the bag.



Oswald's rifle was an exact fit for Oswald's rifle bag.



Care to try again!

JohnM

Oswald's prints on the bag.



Another Rorschach test?


Oswald's rifle was an exact fit for Oswald's rifle bag.



Too bad it's just an assumption that it is "Oswald's rifle bag" or for that matter "Oswald's rifle".

Btw, how would that broken down rifle fit between the cup of Oswald's hand and underneath his armpit?

Let me guess, Frazier never actually saw him carry the package that way, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Charles Collins]

Was it ever established when Oswald actually made the bag?
I was always under the impression that the bag would have to be made at the wrapping table because the tape that was used had to be wet and this would be done through a little machine at the wrapping table. Troy West was the wrapping guy, it was basically his thing, he got help now and then when times were busy but he was the full-time mail wrapper:

Mr. Belin.
If I wanted to use any of that tape, you know that tape that you use to seal it, is there a way to make tape wet so I don't have to lick it myself with my tongue to make it wet and sticky? Or how did you get it to be sticky and stick together?
Mr. West.
Well, we have those machines with the little round ball that we fill them up with water, and so we set them up. In to other words, I got a rack that we set them in, and so we put out tape in a machine, and whenever we pull the tape through, why then the water gets, you know, it gets water on it as we pull it through.
Mr. Belin.
If I wanted to pull the tape, pull off a piece without getting water on it, would I just lift it up without going over the wet roller and get the tape without getting it wet?
Mr. West.
You would have to take it out. You would have to take it out of the machine. See, it's put on there and then run through a little clamp that holds it down, and you pull it, well, then the water, it gets water on it.

The problem with this is that West was always at his table. As soon as he walked in the building he would go straight to the wrapping table where he had everything set up:
 
Mr. BELIN. Did you first go to the domino room and leave your lunch or hang up your coat or anything?
Mr. WEST. No, sir. I just always go right there first. Sometime I pull my coat off and lay it over on the table and go right on.
Mr. BELIN. How long did you stay about making coffee when you got there? How long did you stay around that place when you first got there?
Mr. WEST. Well, let's see, it didn't take me too long. I mean, you know, to make the coffee. After I got it made, I went right on and went right on at my work wrapping mail.


Other than going to the toilet or washing cups, West would stay at his station through the whole day.
So, when did Oswald make the bag?

Lunch break?

[Dan O'meara]

Lunch break?

The problem with that is West - it appears he never leaves his station from the moment he arrives and all through the lunch break.
I don't know how long it would take to make such a bag. I reckon it would take me ten minutes at least but I've never tried to make one so I'm guessing.
Why even make one, he had a perfectly good homemade rifle bag back at the Paine house.
Why not make it to carry a 40" assembled rifle instead of a 36" disassembled rifle. It hardly disguises the length of a rifle as Oswald actually bought a 36" rifle. It's a pity Oswald didn't get the rifle he actually bought as the bag would've been the perfect length.

Maybe there was a window of opportunity on the Thursday lunch break.

[Charles Collins]

The problem with that is West - it appears he never leaves his station from the moment he arrives and all through the lunch break.
I don't know how long it would take to make such a bag. I reckon it would take me ten minutes at least but I've never tried to make one so I'm guessing.
Why even make one, he had a perfectly good homemade rifle bag back at the Paine house.
Why not make it to carry a 40" assembled rifle instead of a 36" disassembled rifle. It hardly disguises the length of a rifle as Oswald actually bought a 36" rifle. It's a pity Oswald didn't get the rifle he actually bought as the bag would've been the perfect length.

Maybe there was a window of opportunity on the Thursday lunch break.

What makes you think West stayed at his station during lunch breaks?

Also, LHO could have pretended to be wrapping some books at the other end of the table (helping West) and made the bag right under his nose when West wasn’t paying close attention to exactly what LHO was actually doing. Who knows? It appears that LHO found a way to sneak while making it and sneak it out of the TSBD. Not impossible in my opinion.


Why even make one, he had a perfectly good homemade rifle bag back at the Paine house.

My guess is that LHO had noticed the curtain rods that the Paines had stored in the garage that were stored in a similar looking brown bag. The idea for the curtain rods lie and for making a bag out of TSBD wrapping paper could have developed from his having noticed the ones that the Paines already had stored in the garage.


Why not make it to carry a 40" assembled rifle instead of a 36" disassembled rifle.

My guess is that he remembered the length of the rifle that he ordered (from the advertisement). He might not have actually measured the length of the rifle he received. And I am not convinced that he disassembled the rifle to get it all the way inside the bag. He could have left a short section of the muzzle end of the barrel sticking out and just positioned it so it would not be easily seen. Who knows? It really doesn’t matter.