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[Martin Weidmann]

I haven't taken them from what he said. Although, he did actually say that he was eating his lunch in the first floor lunchroom. On Nov 22, 1997, Carolyn Arnold told John Young  that she was 100% positive that Lee Oswald was in the first floor lunchroom at 12.25 that day. He was sitting there calmly eating his lunch.

Although, he did actually say that he was eating his lunch in the first floor lunchroom

Yes, that's what the interrogators wrote in their reports. It's when he saw Norman and Jarman walking towards the elevators to go up to the 5th floor. It's just too bad the interrogators screwed that part up in their contradicting reports.

On Nov 22, 1997, Carolyn Arnold told John Young  that she was 100% positive that Lee Oswald was in the first floor lunchroom at 12.25 that day. He was sitting there calmly eating his lunch.

I didn't know that she told John Young this, but it would fit with the Norman/Jarman sighting which also took place around 12.25. So, perhaps he did have an alibi after all.

[Martin Weidmann]

You've isolated my question without context but never the less, beyond the evidence we have, like the relatively fresh prints on the rifle rest moved halfway across the 6th floor, the murder weapon, no alibi, Brennan's first day extremely close description, Oswald's immediate fleeing from the crime scene and Oswald's lies in custody, what more evidence in your opinion is required for proof?

In any other case, a suspects fresh prints at the specific place where the crime took place, the ownership and the suspects prints on the murder weapon, no alibi, fleeing the crime scene which is a clear consciousness of guilt and along with lying to the authorities about your connection to the murder weapon would be alone enough evidence to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And in this case the evidence goes so much deeper!

JohnM

You've isolated my question without context but never the less, beyond the evidence we have, like the relatively fresh prints on the rifle rest moved halfway across the 6th floor, the murder weapon, no alibi, Brennan's first day extremely close description, Oswald's immediate fleeing from the crime scene and Oswald's lies in custody, what more evidence in your opinion is required for proof?

All circumstantial and highly questionable claims do not prove that Oswald was on the 6th floor at 12:30.

In any other case, a suspects fresh prints at the specific place where the crime took place, the ownership and the suspects prints on the murder weapon, no alibi, fleeing the crime scene which is a clear consciousness of guilt and along with lying to the authorities about your connection to the murder weapon would be alone enough evidence to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


More questional circumstantial stuff.

would be alone enough evidence to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Really? Is this your expert opinion as a lawyer?

A word of advise; if you can predict how a jury will weigh the evidence, you should really offer your services to just about every prosecutor and/or defence lawyer? You'd make a fortune!

And in this case the evidence goes so much deeper!

Does it? So, why haven't we seen this "so much deeper" evidence in the past 6 decades?

[Tim Nickerson]

On Nov 22, 1997, Carolyn Arnold told John Young  that she was 100% positive that Lee Oswald was in the first floor lunchroom at 12.25 that day. He was sitting there calmly eating his lunch.

I didn't know that she told John Young this, but it would fit with the Norman/Jarman sighting which also took place around 12.25. So, perhaps he did have an alibi after all.

In 1963, Carolyn Arnold told FBI Agent Richard Harrison that she thought that she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse. She wasn't sure that it was Oswald and that it was a few minutes before 12:15. In 1978, she told Earl Golz that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom as she was on her way out of the building. She said that she left the building at 12:25. That same year she was interviewed by Anthony Summers. She told him that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunch room at "about 12:15. It may have been slightly later".

[John Mytton]

No other employees of the TSBD left their fingerprints or palm prints on the boxes in the sniper's nest. Oswald was the only one.

I think there may have been unidentified partial prints but the evidence of the unusually moved rolling reader boxes is undeniable and the configuration of Oswald's prints on top of this box is that Oswald was looking down Elm street.

Mr. BALL. Now, the Rolling Readers were stacked three aisles away, I believe you testified, haven't you, before?
Mr. SHELLEY. I'm not sure how many aisles we moved all that stock now, but it was at least three aisles.
Mr. BALL. Away from the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; they were at least half way across the building from this corner.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.
Mr. BALL. They were?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; they were little boxes. The rest of them are pretty good sized.
Mr. BALL. You had had a special place for the Rolling Readers?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Then, the two Rolling Readers that were over in the southeast corner were out of place, were they?
Mr. SHELLEY. They sure were.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen them out of place before?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen those Rolling Readers in that corner before?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

On Nov 22, 1997, Carolyn Arnold told John Young  that she was 100% positive that Lee Oswald was in the first floor lunchroom at 12.25 that day. He was sitting there calmly eating his lunch.

I didn't know that she told John Young this, but it would fit with the Norman/Jarman sighting which also took place around 12.25. So, perhaps he did have an alibi after all.

You do realize that Carolyn Arnold said she saw Oswald in the "first floor" lunchroom and the Domino room was on the ground floor!? DOH!
BTW have you worked out what a "room" is? Hahahahaha!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

In 1963, Carolyn Arnold told FBI Agent Richard Harrison that she thought that she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse. She wasn't sure that it was Oswald and that it was a few minutes before 12:15. In 1978, she told Earl Golz that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom as she was on her way out of the building. She said that she left the building at 12:25. That same year she was interviewed by Anthony Summers. She told him that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunch room at "about 12:15. It may have been slightly later".

Which only tells us that Carolyn Arnold was a human being who doesn't get everything right all the time. People misremember. I don't remember exactly what I saw or said 15 years ago. How about you, Tim?

The one consistent is of course that she says every time that she saw Oswald shortly before the assassination. Regardless if it was 12:15 or 12:25, it was a time when Oswald was supposed to have been in the sniper's nest, right?

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm not aware of any mishandling of fungible evidence by the DPD.

I can't make you understand it. If you can't see it for yourself, nothing that I can say will help.

I'm not aware of any mishandling of fungible evidence by the DPD.

Of course you are not aware... that's part of the problem

I can't make you understand it. If you can't see it for yourself, nothing that I can say will help.

So, you agree that whatever you have to say simply isn't convincing?

[Tim Nickerson]

Which only tells us that Carolyn Arnold was a human being who doesn't get everything right all the time. People misremember. I don't remember exactly what I saw or said 15 years ago. How about you, Tim?

The one consistent is of course that she says every time that she saw Oswald shortly before the assassination. Regardless if it was 12:15 or 12:25, it was a time when Oswald was supposed to have been in the sniper's nest, right?

What it tells us is that Carolyn Arnold was not reliable.