Buell Wesley Frazier

[Martin Weidmann]

Hilarious! Exactly Martin, since the 1450s, history has shown it to be not authentic! You can't make this up!

JohnM

What are you saying?

That in perhaps 300 years from now people will find out that your "Oswald did it" fairytale was indeed a lie?

[John Mytton]

What are you saying?

That in perhaps 300 years from now people will find out that your "Oswald did it" fairytale was indeed a lie?

This isn't the dark ages, we live in a World in which practically all information is disseminated and can be accessed by virtually anybody across the entire planet, and thousands of conspiracy Buffs with undying devotion have looked into this case for over 60 years and have explored each and every aspect and in their desperation have split the split hair in their unwavering commitment to discovering the "truth" and where are we now, well Martin I'll tell you, there is no consensus only numerous assumptions based on insignificant unconnected anomalies.
There is nothing more than can be learned, we have more than enough information than we will ever need.
And after the last files are released which have reportedly nothing of significance, there will be nothing else, so in 300 years or even 3000 years there will be no alternatives, it only happened one way.
The WC and HSCA findings that Oswald did it, is and will always be the accepted truth.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

This isn't the dark ages, we live in a World in which practically all information is disseminated and can be accessed by virtually anybody across the entire planet, and thousands of conspiracy Buffs with undying devotion have looked into this case for over 60 years and have explored each and every aspect and in their desperation have split the split hair in their unwavering commitment to discovering the "truth" and where are we now, well Martin I'll tell you, there is no consensus only numerous assumptions based on insignificant unconnected anomalies.
There is nothing more than can be learned, we have more than enough information than we will ever need.
And after the last files are released which have reportedly nothing of significance, there will be nothing else, so in 300 years or even 3000 years there will be no alternatives, it only happened one way.
The WC and HSCA findings that Oswald did it, is and will always be the accepted truth.

JohnM

well Martin I'll tell you, there is no consensus only numerous assumptions based on insignificant unconnected anomalies.

Well, that's true, I suppose... and it also means that any conclusion about guilt or innocense based on anything that's unresolved is at least premature.

There is nothing more than can be learned,

How do you know?

so in 300 years or even 3000 years there will be no alternatives, it only happened one way.

So, now you are a fortune teller?

The WC and HSCA findings that Oswald did it, is and will always be the accepted truth.

Except they already aren't, because the majority of people don't believe it. In over 60 years the "Oswald did it alone" crowd has been unable to persuade a majority of the people. Why is that?

[John Mytton]

The WC and HSCA findings that Oswald did it, is and will always be the accepted truth.

Except they already aren't, because the majority of people don't believe it. In over 60 years the "Oswald did it alone" crowd has been unable to persuade a majority of the people. Why is that?

There will always people who believe in conspiracies, some people just aren't that well informed and the main source of early disinformation comes from your friends, but as time goes on, and like I said today in an earlier post, information now is increasingly more easily acquired than throughout all of human history and by looking at these Gallup poll results, it looks like the tide is turning!



JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

There will always people who believe in conspiracies, some people just aren't that well informed and the main source of early disinformation comes from your friends, but as time goes on, and like I said today in an earlier post, information now is increasingly more easily acquired than throughout all of human history and by looking at these Gallup poll results, it looks like the tide is turning!



JohnM

What were the parameters for this poll?

And please show me the poll that has "Oswald did it" as majority opinion

[John Mytton]

What were the parameters for this poll?

And please show me the poll that has "Oswald did it" as majority opinion

Settle petal and don't get your knickers in a knot, these polls conducted over the last 60+ years show at what point in time, what the American public believes and I think in the past that only a few percent would even know or could describe the SBF or any of the major players or even the fact that Oswald killed Tippit. Because if these polled people knew the entire facts and like I said in this information age the tide is starting to turn, then I'm sure that the "Oswald did it" numbers, will soar into the stratosphere!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

The Oswald defenders have to explain this behavior, this lack of interest in what happened, not me. I gave my answer: he shot JFK and was in flight. Nothing about being a "nutjob." What is theirs?

Second: Oswald was a political person. He read political journals, newspapers, biographies of political people like Mao and JFK. He attended an ACLU meeting three weeks before the assassination where the Birchers and politics were discussed. He discussed politics with the Paines. DeMohrenshchildt said they discussed politics. Marina said he would she her news stories about JFK and translate it to her. He had radical views, was angry and erratic; but he wasn't apolitical.

So he's not interested AT ALL in what happened? He comes out of the building (So why did he come outside? To find out what was happening? And then doesn't ask anyone what happened?) and doesn't ask anyone what was going on? There is chaos going on; he doesn't ask what is this all about? Again, he's an erratic angry man; he's not an idiot. An hour later he's in a movie theater with a loaded revolver and five extra bullets. Why? He doesn't want to watch the news?

Oswald defenders can't rationally explain this lack of interest in all of this madness going on right outside the building; so they want to wave their hands and turn the question around. We know why. If they tried to give one it would be typical Oswald defender gibberish and nonsense. Admittedly, they are good at that.

That's interesting Steve, Oswald more than anybody in that building knew what the death of a President would mean for history and it's potential for massive changes but Oswald;

After hearing Reid say "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him.", wouldn't you ask for a little more information?
After hearing in the bus when some guy came to the Bus door and said the President was shot, would only prompt Oswald to almost immediately to get off?
After hearing "the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town" while in the cab, all Oswald did was remain silent to Whaley's enquires. How many people in a similar situation who had at least some knowledge would say absolutely nothing?
After quickly moving into his room at the rooming house, the TV was broadcasting news of the President being shot and Oswald didn't ask or stay to watch but just exited as quickly as possible? A little anecdote but when 9/11 happened, people on the footpath were crowded several feet deep straining to watch the unfolding events on a wall of televisions facing the street in the TV retail store, a moment I'll never forget!

Obviously Oswald knew EXACTLY what happened and just wanted to get out of Dodge! No further analysis required!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Settle petal and don't get your knickers in a knot, these polls conducted over the last 60+ years show at what point in time, what the American public believes and I think in the past that only a few percent would even know or could describe the SBF or any of the major players or even the fact that Oswald killed Tippit. Because if these polled people knew the entire facts and like I said in this information age the tide is starting to turn, then I'm sure that the "Oswald did it" numbers, will soar into the stratosphere!

JohnM

Wow! That's some world salad.