Buell Wesley Frazier

[Tom Sorensen]

Down the rabbit hole.  Her testimony is posted.  Among other things, Oswald told her that he was going to practice.  Why would Marina lie about that?  It's not really that important to the case against Oswald whether he practiced with the rifle or not.  If she was willing to lie to incriminate him, she would have lied about more important things that she said that she could not confirm.   Again, do you think Oswald purchased a rifle with no intent to ever use it?  A rifle that he was so excited to receive that he insisted that his wife take pictures of him holding it? 

Mr. RANKIN. Could you give us a little help on how you knew?
Mrs. OSWALD. He told me. And he would mention that in passing---it isn't
as if he said, "Well, today I am going"---it wasn't as if he said, "Well, today I am going to take the rifle and go and practice."
But he would say, "Well, today I will take the rifle along for practice."

Ok, so this is the "event" (part of testimony) you refer to, but initially left out, correct?

[Richard Smith]

Ok, so this is the "event" (part of testimony) you refer to, but initially left out, correct?

So many questions but never any answers.  I posted her testimony.  It says exactly what I suggested.  Again, do you think Oswald purchased a rifle, posed with it, but never intended to use it? Is that what you are claiming?  What evidence do have using your own standard to rebut Marina's testimony that he did practice with the rifle?

[Michael Capasse]

Can you tell us what she lied about?

Either can u - and according to Redlich: "...matters which are of vital concern to the people of this country and the world."
I don't trust what she said to the Commission because she under threat of deportation.
One needs to consider the forum in which she is speaking. Also listen to her now ....

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A Statement to the Assassination Records Review Board
from Marina Oswald Porter, September 17, 1996
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"This case has never been OPENED. The twenty-six volumes of the Warren Commission do not support its conclusions. My final conclusion
is that the man--Lee--was not on the sixth floor. We're not even sure about the rifle. According to the local police chief, we never could
put the rifle and the person (Oswald) together. Lee was charged with the crime. They showed him a picture, said this is a rifle, this is
you; he denied it. But they never showed him the weapon for identification. I'm the one who was supposed to identify the rifle,
and I did, believing in the authorities' good intentions . But I was the worst of all. I knew nothing of weapons or guns; I knew nothing."

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[Tom Sorensen]

So many questions but never any answers.  I posted her testimony.  It says exactly what I suggested.  Again, do you think Oswald purchased a rifle, posed with it, but never intended to use it? Is that what you are claiming?  What evidence do have using your own standard to rebut Marina's testimony that he did practice with the rifle?

Naughty Richard, shifting the burden of proof. Just to make sure we're on the same page (see below). The problem is that the rumor originates with Marina. Do you now see the problem with your use of "confirmed"?

confirm
verb
con·​firm kən-ˈfərm
confirmed; confirming; confirms
Synonyms of confirm

transitive verb
1
: to give approval to : ratify
confirm a treaty
2
: to make firm or firmer : strengthen
confirm one's resolve
3
: to administer the rite of confirmation to
4
: to give new assurance of the validity of : remove doubt about by authoritative act or indisputable fact
confirm a rumor
confirm an order

[Richard Smith]

Naughty Richard, shifting the burden of proof. Just to make sure we're on the same page (see below). The problem is that the rumor originates with Marina. Do you now see the problem with your use of "confirmed"?

confirm
verb
con·​firm kən-ˈfərm
confirmed; confirming; confirms
Synonyms of confirm

transitive verb
1
: to give approval to : ratify
confirm a treaty
2
: to make firm or firmer : strengthen
confirm one's resolve
3
: to administer the rite of confirmation to
4
: to give new assurance of the validity of : remove doubt about by authoritative act or indisputable fact
confirm a rumor
confirm an order

We have arrived at the rabbit hole.  We have the testimony of Oswald's own wife that he practiced with the rifle and that he told her that he did so.  Your rebuttal is that she could be lying despite there being apparent no reason for her to lie about him practicing with the rifle.  It is not a crime to practice firing your rifle.   We have the logical inference that if Oswald ordered a rifle with his limited means and was so excited to get it that he posed for pictures, that he intended to use it.   There is otherwise no explanation for ordering the rifle.

[John Mytton]

We have arrived at the rabbit hole.  We have the testimony of Oswald's own wife that he practiced with the rifle and that he told her that he did so.  Your rebuttal is that she could be lying despite there being apparent no reason for her to lie about him practicing with the rifle.  It is not a crime to practice firing your rifle.   We have the logical inference that if Oswald ordered a rifle with his limited means and was so excited to get it that he posed for pictures, that he intended to use it.   There is otherwise no explanation for ordering the rifle.

Oswald took four bullets to the depository, three shell casings in the sniper's nest and and one bullet still chambered.
As Tom helpfully pointed out, there were no bullets recovered from Oswald's belongings and while Oswald may have purchased four bullets separately which wouldn't even fill a clip, it's much more likely that Oswald purchased at least one box of twenty, therefore Oswald practiced at least with sixteen bullets and took his last four with him to work on the morning of the 22nd.



The original Kleins ad offered 108 rounds for $7.50 but IMO Oswald originally purchased the rifle to assassinate General Walker, an assassination Oswald meticulously planned which occurred about a month after Oswald received his rifle, so I believe penny pinching didn't bother buying so many bullets because he didn't have time to use so many.



JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

"...therefore Oswald practiced at least with sixteen bullets and took his last four with him to work on the morning of the 22nd."

completely made up.

...Oswald originally purchased the rifle to assassinate General Walker, an assassination Oswald meticulously planned which occurred about a month after Oswald received his rifle,

Just like the bag....
Put 2 things together that prove that rifle shot Walker.

[John Mytton]

Put 2 things together that prove that rifle shot Walker.

Before we get started, almost every CK will mention the steel jacketed bullet and even though the mutilated Walker couldn't be 100% matched to Oswald's rifle, the bullet couldn't be ruled out.

Lt. Day took the evidence and scratched his name onto the bullet fragment, and that bullet was copper coated.

Mr. BELIN. I will ask you this. Have you ever seen Commission Exhibit 573 before, if you know?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; I have.
Mr. BELIN. Could you tell us what 573 is?
Mr. DAY. This slug was gotten from the home of former General Edwin Walker, 4011 Turtle Creek, April 10, 1963, by Detective B. G. Brown, one of the officers under my supervision. He brought this in and released it to me.
Mr. BELIN. You are reading now from a report that is in your possession, is that correct?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir. Those are the official records of my office.
Mr. BELIN. Was that prepared under your supervision?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. In the regular course of your duties at the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir. The slug has my name “DAY” scratched in it

And Frazier explains that some individuals refer to these types of bullets as steel-jacketed.

Eisenberg: Is this a jacketed bullet?
Frazier: Yes, it is a copper-alloy jacketed bullet having a lead core.
Eisenberg: Can you think of any reason why someone might have called this a steel-jacketed bullet?
Frazier: No sir; except that some individuals commonly refer to rifle bullets as steel-jacketed bullets, when they actually in fact just have a copper-alloy jacket

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Now for the evidence you requested, times 2!

• Found in Oswald's possessions, a photo of Walkers house. Also accompanying is written instructions for Marina which according to specific details can be correspondingly dated at the same time as the Walker assassination attempt, also of note is Oswald saying "if I'm alive and taken prisoner" means he wasn't planning on tiptoeing through the Tulips.



• Found in Oswald's possessions, a map with Walkers house location marked with a cross



• Found in Oswald's possessions, a photo taken with the same photo that took Oswald family snaps, of a laneway next to Walkers house, taken just before the assassination attempt and the time frame of when the photo was taken was determined by partially finished construction.





• And a decade and a half after the WC, when Marina Porter(previously known as Marina Oswald) had no reason to fear being deported she still recalls Oswald telling her about the Walker assassination attempt.

Mr. McDONALD. Directing your attention to that day, April 10, 1963, would you tell us what happened?
Mrs. PORTER. Well, I cannot remember the timing all the very vivid details of day. I just can state it that that particular night he did not come home until very late, and when he did not come home at regular time, I was worried about him. So I found a note addressed to me what to do in case if he did not come home. Of course I was petrified. Nobody I can turn to. But then later that night when he came home, I asked him to explain. He was out of breath and he was pale, and asked him to explain this note, and he said that "I just shot General Walker." So I was very upset and enraged about that, and we had an argument over it.

JohnM