Buell Wesley Frazier

[Richard Smith]

More words.  

More filler.

Let me try again. 

OK.

1)  Give us an example of Marina lying.  If you have none, just admit that. To my knowledge the only possible known instances of Marina "lying" involve her trying to protect Oswald rather than incriminate him.  I assume that is the source of frustration being expressed in the source that you cite.  You would seemingly agree with that conclusion since I assume you believe the authorities were trying to frame Oswald.  In which case, they would be supportive instead of critical of any lies Marina might tell to incriminate Oswald.

I'm surprised myself, since the WC was so keen on transparency. It could be that her lies referred to by Redlich were so blatantly stupid that they threatened to undermine their credibility. Try the one where she imprisoned Lee in a bathroom. But let's do it this way: Since my arguments don't rely on Marinan lying, I'll simply drop her Redlich. The burden of proof is on you, still. So far you haven't produced a shred of evidence that supports Oswald firing the rifle on an airstrip; the WC had nothing to offer.

2)  Tell us what someone would do with a rifle other than use it to shoot at something (e.g. practice). 

Collectors buy rifles.

3)  Provide your evidence to prove that Oswald never bought ammo for the rifle from any of the large number of gun stores in the Dallas area.   

Sorry, did you really hope that shifting the burden of proof would work? BTW, there wasn't a large number of gun stores in Dallas stocking Carcano ammo. Learn the evidence.

Are you saying the only source of such ammo was from Klein's?

No.

So you can't provide even a single example of Marina lying despite dismissing her testimony as the product of a liar.  And now Oswald is a "gun collector."  HA HA HA.  How many such collectors have a total of one rifle? A cheap WWII rifle.  And you can't demonstrate that Oswald could not have bought the ammo from a gun story in Dallas.  Got it.

[John Mytton]

I have to go out - I'll be back. I want to talk about the so called, "Walker Note"

The note is written in Russian. There is no date. There is no signature. There is NO MENTION of Walker at all.
How is this in anyway related to the General?  Any thoughts on why he would even write this note?

In translation, the note read as follows:
1. This is the key to the mailbox which is located in the main post office in the city on Ervay Street.
This is the same street where the drugstore, in which you always waited is located. You will find the mailbox in the post office which is
located 4 blocks from the drugstore on that street. I paid for the box last month so don't worry about it.

2. Send the information as to what has happened to me to the Embassy and include newspaper clippings
(should there be anything about me in the newspapers). I believe that the Embassy will come quickly to your assistance on learning everything.

3. I paid the house rent on the 2d so don't worry about it.

4. Recently I also paid for water and gas.

5. The money from work will possibly be coming. The money will be sent to our post office box. Go to the bank and cash the check.

6. You can either throw out or give my clothing, etc. away. Do not keep these. However, I prefer that you hold on to my personal papers (military, civil, etc.).

The note is written in Russian.

James Cadigan testified the note was written by Oswald, besides there is information contained within that Oswald was privy to, stay tuned.

There is no date.

Huh? Why would the note require a date, if Oswald succeeded in killing General Walker then everything contained in that note needed immediate action.

There is no signature

Another Huh? The note clearly came from Oswald. When you leave a note on the fridge telling your significant other that you are going for a beer with the fella's do you sign it and date it? When you leave a shopping list for the missus, do you sign it and date it?

There is NO MENTION of Walker at all.

Triple Huh? Did you expect Oswald to write something like, "I Harvey Lee Oswald of sound body and mind will on the 12th of April of the year of our lord 1963 will go forth and assassinate General Edwin Walker, So help me God!"?  The name was not necessary for Marina or frankly anyone, because if Marina or anyone found the note early and rang the Police, Oswald's hopes and dreams would disappear like sands through the hourglass.

How is this in anyway related to the General?

As stated above, secrecy is the secret to success!

Any thoughts on why he would even write this note?

The note was simply advice for Marina who being in a new Country, had a small circle of friends and who knew little English would be initially frightened and confused, so Oswald did his best to comfort her before he potentially shattered her World!

Translated from Russian
1) This is the key to the mailbox which is located in the main post office in the city on Ervay Street. This is the same street where the drugstore, in which you always waited is located. You will find the mailbox in the post office which is located 4 blocks from the drugstore on that street. I paid for the box last month so don't worry about it.

2) Send the information as to what has happened to me to the Embassy and include newspaper clippings (should there be anything about me in the newspapers). I believe that the Embassy will come quickly to your assistance on learning everything.

3) I paid the house rent on the 2d so don't worry about it.

4) Recently I also paid for water and gas.

5) The money from work will possibly be coming. The money will be sent to our post office box. Go to the bank and cash the check.

6) You can either throw out or give my clothing, etc. away. Do not keep these. However, I prefer that you hold on to my personal papers (military, civil, etc.).

7) Certain of my documents are in the small blue valise.

8] The address book can be found on my table in the study should need same.

9) We have friends here. The Red Cross also will help you. (Red Cross in English). [sic]

10) I left you as much money as I could, $60 on the second of the month. You and the baby [apparently] can live for another 2 months using $10 per week.

11) If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge).705

Now we know when and where the note was written by clues, clues that obviously weren't needed by Marina because she was there living the dream!

• The Neely street apartment was leased on the 3rd of March and Oswald paid in advance on the 2nd. Oswald says he paid the rent money on the "2d" of what must be April. 8 days before the Walker assassination attempt.
• And we know that Oswald took out the Post Box at that address on the 9th of October till mid May. So this note was written in that time frame.
• The note mentions paying for rent meaning that it was written before Marina moved in with Ruth Paine.
• Oswald's directions to the Jail, even though he confused the city jail with the county jail, gave instructions to get there consistent if they were coming from Neely street.

So that along with the map marked with Walker's residence, the covert photographs with the shooting location and a decade and a half later Marina's testimony confirming Oswald's confession when any threat of deportation was a faded memory, all is evidence of Oswald's assassination attempt!

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

James Cadigan testified the note was written by Oswald, besides there is information contained within that Oswald was privy to, stay tuned.

Huh? Why would the note require a date, if Oswald succeeded in killing General Walker then everything contained in that note needed immediate action.

Another Huh? The note clearly came from Oswald. When you leave a note on the fridge telling your significant other that you are going for a beer with the fella's do you sign it and date it? When you leave a shopping list for the missus, do you sign it and date it?

Triple Huh? Did you expect Oswald to write something like, "I Harvey Lee Oswald of sound body and mind will on the 12th of April of the year of our lord 1963 will go forth and assassinate General Edwin Walker, So help me God!"?  The name was not necessary for Marina or frankly anyone, because if Marina or anyone found the note early and rang the Police, Oswald's hopes and dreams would disappear like sands through the hourglass.

As stated above, secrecy is the secret to success!

The note was simply advice for Marina who being in a new Country, had a small circle of friends and who knew little English would be initially frightened and confused, so Oswald did his best to comfort her before he potentially shattered her World!

Translated from Russian
1) This is the key to the mailbox which is located in the main post office in the city on Ervay Street. This is the same street where the drugstore, in which you always waited is located. You will find the mailbox in the post office which is located 4 blocks from the drugstore on that street. I paid for the box last month so don't worry about it.

2) Send the information as to what has happened to me to the Embassy and include newspaper clippings (should there be anything about me in the newspapers). I believe that the Embassy will come quickly to your assistance on learning everything.

3) I paid the house rent on the 2d so don't worry about it.

4) Recently I also paid for water and gas.

5) The money from work will possibly be coming. The money will be sent to our post office box. Go to the bank and cash the check.

6) You can either throw out or give my clothing, etc. away. Do not keep these. However, I prefer that you hold on to my personal papers (military, civil, etc.).

7) Certain of my documents are in the small blue valise.

8] The address book can be found on my table in the study should need same.

9) We have friends here. The Red Cross also will help you. (Red Cross in English). [sic]

10) I left you as much money as I could, $60 on the second of the month. You and the baby [apparently] can live for another 2 months using $10 per week.

11) If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge).705

Now we know when and where the note was written by clues, clues that obviously weren't needed by Marina because she was there living the dream!

• The Neely street apartment was leased on the 3rd of March and Oswald paid in advance on the 2nd. Oswald says he paid the rent money on the "2d" of what must be April. 8 days before the Walker assassination attempt.
• And we know that Oswald took out the Post Box at that address on the 9th of October till mid May. So this note was written in that time frame.
• The note mentions paying for rent meaning that it was written before Marina moved in with Ruth Paine.
• Oswald's directions to the Jail, even though he confused the city jail with the county jail, gave instructions to get there consistent if they were coming from Neely street.

So that along with the map marked with Walker's residence, the covert photographs with the shooting location and a decade and a half later Marina's testimony confirming Oswald's confession when any threat of deportation was a faded memory, all is evidence of Oswald's assassination attempt!

JohnM

All assumed garbage - all of it.
There is NO reason to believe that note had anything to do with the Walker shooting.

[Michael Capasse]

The "Walker Note" has nothing to do with the Walker shooting. So what is it?
If the note was written by Lee around the time of the Walker shooting, he wrote because he's going to New Orleans.
He's going one month ahead of Marina, to find work and will send for her when when he is employed.
She was less then one year in the country, claimed to not speak English (although, Marguerite knew different- https://jfk.boards.net/post/2278)
He's helping her get along while he's gone. That's it. There is a BS spin put on the document about "being taken prisoner".

I still don't understand how that relates to Walker. Specifically to Walker. Anyone would be a fool to think he flipped his wig to
then go and kill Walker, "...and here is what you will need to do while I'm gone" That's ridiculous. There no evidence of that.
Be Lee. The note is written in Russian. As he wrote the note, he may have not known the Russian word for "being arrested".
He used the only wording he knew she would understand. "And if I'm arrested, you can contact local police". He may even be describing a location in N.O.

11. If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going
to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge).

There is no date. No mention of Walker whatsoever. If he wrote it, he left her instructions to get along while he's gone. That's it.
There is NO reason to believe that note had anything to do with the Walker shooting.

[John Mytton]

The "Walker Note" has nothing to do with the Walker shooting. So what is it?
If the note was written by Lee around the time of the Walker shooting, he wrote because he's going to New Orleans.
He's going one month ahead of Marina, to find work and will send for her when when he is employed.
She was less then one year in the country, claimed to not speak English (although, Marguerite knew different- https://jfk.boards.net/post/2278)
He's helping her get along while he's gone. That's it. There is a BS spin put on the document about "being taken prisoner".

I still don't understand how that relates to Walker. Specifically to Walker. Anyone would be a fool to think he flipped his wig to
then go and kill Walker, "...and here is what you will need to do while I'm gone" That's ridiculous. There no evidence of that.
Be Lee. The note is written in Russian. As he wrote the note, he may have not known the Russian word for "being arrested".
He used the only wording he knew she would understand. "And if I'm arrested, you can contact local police". He may even be describing a location in N.O.

11. If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going
to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge).

There is no date. No mention of Walker whatsoever. If he wrote it, he left her instructions to get along while he's gone. That's it.
There is NO reason to believe that note had anything to do with the Walker shooting.

WOW!

Point 11 goes way beyond just being taken prisoner, he says "If I am Alive", how the heck do you believe that in just going to New Orleans, Oswald potentially believed that he could be killed?

BTW the way you suggest that "if I'm arrested" means Oswald was planning to be arrested means you are starting to get it!
 
JohnM

[John Mytton]

11) If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge)

In the following paragraph is the WC describing the journey from Neely street to the county jail at the beginning of the city.

Oswald had apparently mistaken the county jail for the city jail. From Neely Street the Oswalds would have traveled downtown on the Beckley bus, across the Commerce Street viaduct and into downtown Dallas through the Triple Underpass.713 Either the viaduct or the underpass might have been the "bridge" mentioned in the last paragraph of the note. The county jail is at the corner of Houston and Main Streets "right in the beginning of the city" after one travels through the underpass.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#walker

And here using Google Earth we can see in the 1st image the approximate journey from 214 Neely to the Commerce street Viaduct then in the 2nd we see the journey from the Commerce street Viaduct through to the triple underpass then onto the County Jail at the beginning of the city!
BTW for fun I have the bus going past the TSBD which I guess is unlikely because it would probably go straight down Main? I did a google maps public transport journey which is obviously more than half a century later and it took me all the way into Dallas via Commerce street? Anyway, you get the general idea.




JohnM

[Tom Sorensen]

So you can't provide even a single example of Marina lying despite dismissing her testimony as the product of a liar.  And now Oswald is a "gun collector."  HA HA HA.  How many such collectors have a total of one rifle? A cheap WWII rifle.  And you can't demonstrate that Oswald could not have bought the ammo from a gun story in Dallas.  Got it.

So you can't provide even a single example of Marina lying despite dismissing her testimony as the product of a liar.  

Already covered. Realized that I didn't need Redlich, and you would use it as an avenue of escape; I slammed the door right in your face. Meanwhile, Michael provided a comprehensive list. Oh dear! 

And now Oswald is a "gun collector." 

I claimed no such thing. I answered the question you asked, no more, no less.

HA HA HA.

Reminds me of the DeM backyard print. Great shot, and it perfectly explains why Oswald didn't need ammo. Lee for sure had a great sense of humor. 

How many such collectors have a total of one rifle?

Aspiring collector. Would that work for you?

A cheap WWII rifle. 

You have to start somewhere. All sorts of interesting Carcano variants to collect. Great opportunity to get into the hobby. 

And you can't demonstrate that Oswald could not have bought the ammo from a gun story in Dallas. 

Richard, are you not paying attention? I'm not obligated to prove a negative.

Got it.

All you've got so far is this: It was rumored that Oswald practiced his rifle at Love Field. 

[Michael Capasse]

11) If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge)

In the following paragraph is the WC describing the journey from Neely street to the county jail at the beginning of the city.

Oswald had apparently mistaken the county jail for the city jail. From Neely Street the Oswalds would have traveled downtown on the Beckley bus, across the Commerce Street viaduct and into downtown Dallas through the Triple Underpass.713 Either the viaduct or the underpass might have been the "bridge" mentioned in the last paragraph of the note. The county jail is at the corner of Houston and Main Streets "right in the beginning of the city" after one travels through the underpass.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#walker

And here using Google Earth we can see in the 1st image the approximate journey from 214 Neely to the Commerce street Viaduct then in the 2nd we see the journey from the Commerce street Viaduct through to the triple underpass then onto the County Jail at the beginning of the city!
BTW for fun I have the bus going past the TSBD which I guess is unlikely because it would probably go straight down Main? I did a google maps public transport journey which is obviously more than half a century later and it took me all the way into Dallas via Commerce street? Anyway, you get the general idea.

JohnM

  - Still, it provides no proof of shooting Walker or any mention of the General.
Don't know when it was written and can only assume he is referring to moving to New Orleans