Buell Wesley Frazier

[Jack Nessan]

The prints are on two different long sides of the bag. Here's Tony again;



How do you know that was where he carried it? - 41 inches would drag on the ground - and are not near the same edge.
What makes you think the bag could hold an 8lb rifle with no bottom support?

]The prints are on two different long sides of the bag. Here's Tony again;

Right palm print on one side, the left index finger on the other. 

How do you know that was where he carried it? - 41 inches would drag on the ground - and are not near the same edge.
What makes you think the bag could hold an 8lb rifle with no bottom support?

He was not holding it by the sack.

The prints would not be on the same side. He had a hold of the rifle barrel on the top. Held the stock with the other hand with the sack somewhat angling across his body.

LHO was 5 feet 9 inches tall.  The rifle was 2 inches off the ground.

[John Mytton]

We were discussing what West did during his lunch break

The Dallas route was published on Tuesday, so Oswald had plenty of time to plan how he was going to smuggle his rifle to work.

West got to work a "little early", and according to Givens, Oswald's routine was to get to work and read the previous days newspaper, a time span which he never says. But never the less, Oswald window of opportunity was not only limited to lunch.

Mr. BELIN - What time did you get to work?
Mr. WEST - Well, we always get to work - we are supposed to be there at 8 in the morning.
Mr. BELIN - You got there at 8 that morning?
Mr. WEST - Yes, I always, most of the time I got there a little early.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what time you got to work that particular morning?
Mr. WEST - It was about 10 minutes to 8. I always be 5 or 10 minutes early.
Mr. BELIN - Where did you go when you got to work?

Mr. BELIN. Did you see him reading the newspaper?
Mr. GIVENS. No; not that day. I did--he generally sit in there every morning. He would come to work and sit in there and read the paper, the next day paper, like if the day was Tuesday, he would read Monday's paper in the morning when he would come to work, but he didn't that morning because he didn't go in the domino room that morning. I didn't see him in the domino room that morning.

West also says he went and washed up at the start of his lunch break.

Mr. WEST - Well, I went in and washed my hands and face and then got ready to put my coffee on. I always made coffee at 12. Make it in the morning, and then I make it about 12, between 12 and 12:30.

Oswald had windows of opportunity to construct his bag, before, during the start of lunch and after work. All he had to do was either grab some scrap from the bin because the paper bag did look to be pretty beat up, or unroll some from the fixed roll, fold it and apply some tape, a minute or two max!

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Right palm print on one side, the left index finger on the other. 

Both are right - How wide was his hand?  - They are not even at the same level

He was not holding it by the sack.

I don't know what this means.

The prints would not be on the same side. He had a hold of the rifle barrel on the top. Held the stock with the other hand with the sack somewhat angling across his body. 

When did she say other hand?

LHO was 5 feet 9 inches tall.  The rifle was 2 inches off the ground.

You're just making it up as you go.

[John Mytton]

How wide was his hand?  - They are not at the same level

I don't know what this means.

When did she say other hand?

You're just making it up as you go.

Facts;

Linnie Mae described a long brown paper bag.
Frazier described a long brown paper bag.
Oswald lied about where in Frazier's car he put the package.
Oswald lied about the contents of the bag to the Police
Oswald's prints were on the bag.
The bag was an exact fit for the rifle.







JohnM

[Richard Smith]

We were discussing what West did during his lunch break you utter moron.

LOL.  Comedy gold.  Your profoundly stupid point was that West "never" left his workstation questioning how Oswald could have made the bag.   Of course, West left at the end of the day to go home.  Anyone could have obtained the materials after he left for the day.  The WC questions mostly related to 11.22.  Obviously, Oswald made the bag before 11.22. 

[Tom Mahon]

I doubt that Buell was so bad at estimating short measurements that he was trying to show us in the photo his concept of 25 or 26 inches ("two feet plus-or-minus an inch or two," iirc).

To reiterate, I think Buell intuited that morning that the package contained a rifle, and he lied about having that intuition later in order to keep from being charged as an accomplice in the murder of the President of the United States.

[John Mytton]

To reiterate, I think Buell intuited that morning that the package contained a rifle, and he lied about having that intuition later in order to keep from being charged as an accomplice in the murder of the President of the United States.

I suspect you are right, Linnie on the second day did say that Oswald's package was 3 feet long and as time went on her estimates of the package size got smaller, because most likely Linnie and Frazier got together and Frazier realizing that he drove the Assassin to work did his best to deny knowledge. Frazier was a simple man who had no reason to doubt Oswald because what are the chances that Oswald who he barely knew, would go full on psycho?

I think more workers than only Frazier saw Oswald with a long package but they didn't dare say anything. But one clue reinforcing this suspicion came in Dougherty's testimony;

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.

JohnM

[Tom Mahon]

I suspect you are right, Linnie on the second day did say that Oswald's package was 3 feet long and as time went on her estimates of the package size got smaller, because most likely Linnie and Frazier got together and Frazier realizing that he drove the Assassin to work did his best to deny knowledge. Frazier was a simple man who had no reason to doubt Oswald because what are the chances that Oswald who he barely knew, would go full on psycho?

I think more workers than only Frazier saw Oswald with a long package but they didn't dare say anything. But one clue reinforcing this suspicion came in Dougherty's testimony;

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.

JohnM

Good point.

Shelley had probably asked Dougherty if he'd seen LHO carrying the package.

I assume this was after the assination?