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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
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Here's a graphic from Dr. Tony Fratini  - I consider this proof of Oswald not having carried in the rifle that morning.
It is Frazier - the one and only guy in the whole world that saw Lee carry the package from the palm of his hand to his armpit.
Yes, he claimed he wasn't paying much attention to the bag. But he was sure of how Lee carried it. He never said he was mistaken.



So what is Frazier's mistake? The rifle is 34.8" long - it can be no shorter. About the length of a lady's nine iron (golf club).
Are we expected to believe that? At the point that Lee was 50 ft. ahead, Frazier mistakenly did not see the package rise above the shoulder.
And if that was all there was wrong with any connection he might have to the bag, then there should be other evidence to build upon.

Witnesses are questionable. - the first 11 officers never saw the bag. Fingerprints and fiber evidence in the bag are garbage.
All that is left are Nutter excuses of "where are the curtain rods?" "where is the lunch?" as some sort of proof.
But evidence after evidence breaks down and fails. LN makes excuses of, we know he must've because of everything else.
"must-a-done-its", the entire case is filled with them, and every one them is based on nothing, but to fill in the broken evidence.

There is no need for any conspiracy theory. Just look at the completely failed case against the accused time after time.
And look for the Nutters excuses when I say, "...there is no reason to believe that rifle was ever broken down or put into that bag...."

https://jfk.boards.net/post/7400/thread

M Capasse: February 22, 2025     “She also said 28 inches.
Cherry picking conflicting statements isn't conclusive proof of anything.”


Nice post except, fortunately, another witness, Linnie Mae Randle, described in detail how LHO carried the package and referenced the package barely clearing the ground. Her description is backed up by fingerprints left by LHO on the package.   

The BWF pictures are all very interesting but does not answer the central question about the conflicting statement made by Linnie Mae Randle describing the length of the package and how that would alter the description of how LHO was carrying the bag.

Michael, you must have just missed this piece of information about Linnie Mae's description of how the bag was carried, that was posted earlier. 

The conflicting statement is Linnie Mae's description of LHO holding the bag with her revised estimate of a 27-to-28-inch package.
 
A 27- or 28-inch-long bag will not work to match Linnie Mae’s description of how LHO carried the rifle. The top of the package where she described him holding it with his right hand, would be slightly above the knee to about mid-thigh with him actually holding it lower, and additionally LHO also held the package with his left hand closer to the bottom of the package. The bottom of the package also was described as being barely above the ground. 
 
To hold the rifle as Linnie Mae described, LHO would have had to have been bent over at the waist as he walked to the vehicle. The same would be true for Buell’s description of the package being held under the armpit. The bag as estimated is simply not long enough to fit Linnie Mae’s description.
 
Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.
 
Mr. BALL. I have one question, Mr. Chief Justice.
You used an expression there, that the bag appeared heavy.
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You meant that there was some weight appeared to--
Mrs. RANDLE. To the bottom.
Mr. BALL. To the bottom?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes. It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand. It was more bulky toward the bottom than it was this way.
Mr. BELIN. Toward the top? More bulky toward the bottom than toward the top?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

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« Reply #409 on: Today at 12:48:28 PM »
To hold the rifle as Linnie Mae described, LHO would have had to have been bent over at the waist as he walked to the vehicle. The same would be true for Buell’s description of the package being held under the armpit. The bag as estimated is simply not long enough to fit Linnie Mae’s description.

How is that true for Frazier, when he is the one demonstrating exactly what he saw?

A 27- or 28-inch-long bag will not work to match Linnie Mae’s description of how LHO carried the rifle

Now, you're just making stuff up.
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How is that true for Frazier, when he is the one demonstrating exactly what he saw?

Now, you're just making stuff up.

How is that true for Frazier, when he is the one demonstrating exactly what he saw?

Maybe they should let BWF try again. This time with new information. There are fingerprints confirming Linnie Mae’s description of how it was held. BWF said he was not paying any attention. 

Now, you're just making stuff up.

Making it up? I guess you would have to say that to make up for the fact you have no explanation. Unless this post about BWF holding the bag somehow is being used as an explanation for Linnie Mae’s description of LHO carrying the package.

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How is that true for Frazier, when he is the one demonstrating exactly what he saw?

Maybe they should let BWF try again. This time with new information. There are fingerprints confirming Linnie Mae’s description of how it was held. BWF said he was not paying any attention. 

Now, you're just making stuff up.

Making it up? I guess you would have to say that to make up for the fact you have no explanation. Unless this post about BWF holding the bag somehow is being used as an explanation for Linnie Mae’s description of LHO carrying the package.

Frazier showed you the bag as he saw it. - What try again? - He has no reason to lie.

A shorter length has no restriction as to how LR saw the bag.
The only one without a proper explanation is YOU
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« Reply #412 on: Today at 03:39:39 PM »
Frazier showed you the bag as he saw it. - What try again? - He has no reason to lie.

A shorter length has no restriction as to how LR saw the bag.
The only one without a proper explanation is YOU

He has no reason to lie? Really

You have to be kidding. The amazing thing the conspiracy clown show does not have BWF as part of the conspiracy. The same bag he describes as being tucked under his arm, Linnie Mae describes as being carried barely clearing the ground with an approximate 42 inch length. She gets the length dead on. It would have been smarter if he would have changed his estimate to be more like what she stated instead of the other way around.

It has a huge impact. Do you think Oswald walked bent over at the waist? Or better yet his left hand naturally dangled 1 foot off the ground? You are claiming just that.

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He has no reason to lie? Really

You have to be kidding. The amazing thing the conspiracy clown show does not have BWF as part of the conspiracy. The same bag he describes as being tucked under his arm, Linnie Mae describes as being carried barely clearing the ground with an approximate 42 inch length. She gets the length dead on. It would have been smarter if he would have changed his estimate to be more like what she stated instead of the other way around.

It has a huge impact. Do you think Oswald walked bent over at the waist? Or better yet his left hand naturally dangled 1 foot off the ground? You are claiming just that.

 BS: What resaon does he have to lie?
Frazier is showing you exactly what he saw. - a package too short to be the rifle.

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BS: What resaon does he have to lie?
Frazier is showing you exactly what he saw. - a package too short to be the rifle.

Amazingly, not only do you not know why BWF would not want to own up to a longer bag, you can’t explain how LHO could have carried a 27 inch bag in the manner described by Linnie Mae. Does believing in a conspiracy require the suspension of all rational thinking

Such a mystery. BWF drove the assassin and his rifle to the scene of the assassination. I am sure you do not know why he would want to distance himself from it. 

We know BWF's description does not match Linnie's. We know her new bag length estimation does not match her description of how LHO was carrying the bag. We know her description matches the prints of LHO on the bag.

 

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Such a mystery. BWF drove the assassin and his rifle to the scene of the assassination. I am sure you do not know why he would want to distance himself from it. 

Garbage. Unless BWF has something to do with the assassination, he had absolutely nothing to worry about.
Fritz came in with a confession, Frazier put his fist down with no intention of signing it. Fritz left the room. End of story.
That's a Lame Nutters excuse to make up for the length LMR thought she saw very briefly from a distance.

...you can’t explain how LHO could have carried a 27 inch bag in the manner described by Linnie Mae...

Why do I need to do that? - Frazier showed me exactly what he saw. - and he is definite with the WC as well.

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.

and the bottom:
Mr. FRAZIER - I didn't pay much attention, but when I did, I say, he had this part down here,
like the bottom would be short he had cupped in his hand like that...".

We know BWF's description does not match Linnie's. We know her new bag length estimation does not match her description of how LHO was carrying the bag. We know her description matches the prints of LHO on the bag.

I forgot you have your own theory. He carried in a fully assembled 40 in. rifle? No one else says that.
I guess you need to accommodate Linne Mae, but then you fail at Frazier. - and beyond that the first 11 officers.
Then again, he wouldn't have to re assemble the rifle. The pinch on that is, no evidence of any tool. A real must-a-done-it !
That's how it is throughout this entire case. LNs have to make excuses for what is broken, to fill in the story. (some rewrite the tale where necessary)

That's your dilemma.

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