Buell Wesley Frazier

[Martin Weidmann]

Mr. BALL. About how long would you think the package would be, just measure it right on there.
Mrs. RANDLE. I would say about like this.
Mr. BALL. You mean from here to here?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; with that folded down with this much for him to grip in his hand.
Mr. BALL. This package is about the span of my hand, say 8 inches, is that right? He would have about this much to grip?
Mrs. RANDLE. What I remember seeing is about this long, sir, as I told you it was folded down so it could have been this long.
Mr. BALL. I see. You figure about 2 feet long, is that right?
Mrs. RANDLE. A little bit more.
Mr. BALL. A little more than 2 feet.


I am 6 feet 3 inches tall. My leg, measured from my hip is 3 feet 1 inch long.
Oswald was 5 feet 8 inches tall. If he carried the parcel next to his leg (as Randle said) there is no way it could have been 3 feet 6 inches

[Richard Smith]

No one has to engage in an endless, pedantic exercise to tortuously interpret the generic words of witnesses to reconstruct the bag.  That is rabbit hole nonsense with no exit ramp. This is simple.  The bag exists.  It was found. It has Oswald's prints on it.  It was measured to determine its exact size.  There is no reason to speculate.

[Martin Weidmann]

No one has to engage in an endless, pedantic exercise to tortuously interpret the generic words of witnesses to reconstruct the bag.  That is rabbit hole nonsense with no exit ramp. This is simple.  The bag exists.  It was found. It has Oswald's prints on it.  It was measured to determine its exact size.  There is no reason to speculate.

The bag exists.  It was found. It has Oswald's prints on it.  It was measured to determine its exact size.

Wrong! A bag exists. Several officers claim to have found it, after a number of officers failed to see it in the sniper's nest. There is not a shred of evidence that this bag ever left the TSBD!

And the record shows that Frazier was shown that bag while he was being polygraphed in the evening hours of 11/22/63. Frazier not only failed to identify the bag but also added that the bag Oswald had carried was "definitely a thin, flimsy sack like the one purchased in a dime store".

A memo from James Anderton to SAC Dallas, dated 11/29/63, reveals the desperation of Lt. Day after Frazier failed to identify the heavy bag found at the TSBD. Anderton writes;

"Lt. Day states that he and other officers have surmised that Oswald, by dismantling the rifle, could have placed it in the thick brown sack folder over, and then placed the entire package in the flimsy paper sack"


The obvious question is why Day was so desperate to explain the discrepancy between the heavy bag allegedly found on the 6th floor of the TSBD and the flimsy bag Frazier had seen that he would come up with this pathetic theory. Even more so, if he really had found Oswald's prints on the heavy bag and the MC rifle......

[John Mytton]

No one has to engage in an endless, pedantic exercise to tortuously interpret the generic words of witnesses to reconstruct the bag.  That is rabbit hole nonsense with no exit ramp. This is simple.  The bag exists.  It was found. It has Oswald's prints on it.  It was measured to determine its exact size.  There is no reason to speculate.

Exactly Richard.

Besides the Mountain of physical evidence let's look at Oswald's actions and/or lies.

1) Oswald asks Frazier to take him to Irving to get "curtain rods".

So automatically I knew it wasn't Friday, I come to think it wasn't Friday and I said, "Why are you going home today?"
And he says, "I am going home to get some curtain rods." He said, "You know, put in an apartment."
He wanted to hang up some curtains and I said, "Very well."
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb1.htm

2) Oswald breaks his usual routine and goes to Irving on a Thursday which just happens to be the day before the Presidential visit, what a coincidence!
3) Oswald goes against standard protocol and doesn't get permission from Ruth Paine for his unexpected visit.
4) Oswald leaves most of his money.
5) Oswald leaves his wedding ring.
6) Oswald never tells Marina he's going to leave with "curtain rods".
7) Oswald never tells Ruth that he's going to leave with "curtain rods".
8} Oswald upon reaching Frazier's house immediately hides the "curtain rods" in Frazier's car.
9) Oswald's package is seen by Frazier on the back seat of Frazier's car and Oswald confirms that it contains "curtain rods", whereas the interrogators recall that Oswald said he carried the package on his lap in the front seat.
10) Oswald is 50 feet ahead of Frazier when entering the Texas School Book Depository, another first.
11) Oswald leaves the Depository not at the start or end of lunch but after about 3 minutes from when the President is assassinated, roughly the time it takes to walk from the 6th floor, be confronted, buy a coke and then exit on the ground floor.
12) Oswald never asks permission to leave work by his immediate superior Shelley, in fact Shelley testifies that he never sees Oswald after 12PM.
13) Oswald made a great effort to get "curtain rods" yet isn't seen by Bledsoe on the bus carrying "curtain rods"
14) Oswald isn't seen in Whaley's cab carrying "curtain rods"
15) Oswald isn't seen by Roberts carrying "curtain rods" into his room at the rooming house.
16) Oswald's room doesn't contain any additional "curtain rods".
17) Oswald's room doesn't even need additional "curtain rods".
18) Oswald was not described by any eyewitnesses at the Tippit crime scene carrying "curtain rods"
19) Oswald was not described by Johnny Brewer as carrying "curtain rods"
20) Oswald didn't hit Officer McDonald over the head in the Texas Theatre with "curtain rods"
21) Oswald told his interrogators a different story that he never had "curtain rods" and only carried his lunch to work.
22) Oswald's prints were found on a brown paper bag recovered in the sniper's nest.
23) Oswald's rifle was a neat fit for the brown paper bag.
24) Oswald's "curtain rods" were never found in the Depository.



JohnM

[Jack Nessan]

Garbage. Unless BWF has something to do with the assassination, he had absolutely nothing to worry about.
Fritz came in with a confession, Frazier put his fist down with no intention of signing it. Fritz left the room. End of story.
That's a Lame Nutters excuse to make up for the length LMR thought she saw very briefly from a distance.

Why do I need to do that? - Frazier showed me exactly what he saw. - and he is definite with the WC as well.

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.

and the bottom:
Mr. FRAZIER - I didn't pay much attention, but when I did, I say, he had this part down here,
like the bottom would be short he had cupped in his hand like that...".

I forgot you have your own theory. He carried in a fully assembled 40 in. rifle? No one else says that.
I guess you need to accommodate Linne Mae, but then you fail at Frazier. - and beyond that the first 11 officers.
Then again, he wouldn't have to re assemble the rifle. The pinch on that is, no evidence of any tool. A real must-a-done-it !
That's how it is throughout this entire case. LNs have to make excuses for what is broken, to fill in the story. (some rewrite the tale where necessary)

That's your dilemma.

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

No dilema at all. You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

[Martin Weidmann]

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

No dilema at all. You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

For once I agree.

But if he didn't know what the police were thinking, why would he lie about the way he saw Oswald carry the bag and why would he deny that the bag they showed them on Friday evening was the bag he saw Oswald carry? 

If he was indeed lying, wouldn't that incriminate him?

[Michael Capasse]

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking. 

That makes no sense. He was not involved and that becomes apparent very quickly. This picture is he himself showing what he saw. It was not the rifle.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner. 

You lost all credibility on LMR. A shorter bag does not refute the way she saw the bag held. But it was the glimpse from a distance, and she miss-judged the length. Funny, nutters accept a fleeting glimpse only in their favor.

You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

Good for you.

[Tom Sorensen]

The only reason BWF is not part of some conspiracy theory is because of his denial about the bag length. Your view of events is from the present looking back to the assassination. BWF had no idea what the police were thinking.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

No dilema at all. You might want to check in with Colin Crow about a fully assembled carcano in the bag. His theory made sense to me.

Your quoting Linnie’s second recounting not her first. Her first is a 42 inch bag, that was being held in a manner that would have LHO bent at the hip to be holding a 27 inch bag in the same manner.

Her first description, the November 22 AFFIDAVIT, only says that Lee was "carrying a long brown package." Nothing about its size or how Lee was holding it. The 3 feet by 6 inches was added by Bookhout in his FBI report, and the word "bag" is not used, but nice try.