Buell Wesley Frazier

[Michael Capasse]

He didn't pay attention to the bag, but what exactly was Frazier's mistake?

[Jack Nessan]

I made this graphic a few years ago illustrating how Linnie Mae was describing how Oswald was holding the bag, and if the bag was only 2 feet long then it wouldn't be almost touching the ground because Oswald isn't a gorilla!



Also another fun fact, is if you look at Oswald's bag being taken from the depository the bottom which is the open side is excessively crumpled as if someone was holding it like Linnie Mae described!



JohnM

Great graphics John. Linnie adjusts the length of the bag to 27 inches but she does not alter her memory of how LHO held it to fit the new size. You picture is what a person envisions if LHO is holding it with one hand but I don’t think that is not what she is describing. Linnie changes the length of the bag but does not change how she remembers him holding it. Even though she states the bag is 27 inches long now, she still is referencing LHO holding the bag as being 3 feet 6 inches long. I think he had his right hand grasping the barrel below the front sight because of how she described it, and then she is still is referring to his left hand holding the bottom or near it. 

Linnie:  “and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know,”

If LHO is holding the bottom of the bag and it is 27 inches long and close to the ground he has to be bent over.

Mr Ball needed to get her to elaborate on how LHO was supporting it in more detail but he lets her just reference it the once. But once is enough to understand the bag was not 27 inches long.

[Jack Nessan]

The rifle broken down is 34.8 inches long,  About 40 inches assembled.
So, whatever Frazier saw was obviously not the rifle.

How does this prove what LMR saw was any longer?

MC "One hand near the top -  the other for support at the bottom. I seriously don't understand your point"

You never incorporated your statement about how LHO was holding the bag in your reply. Tuere is no doubt as to why. Obviously, you understand its importance. Linnie Mae exposed BWF estimate of the bag as being false.

[Michael Capasse]

MC "One hand near the top -  the other for support at the bottom. I seriously don't understand your point"

You never incorporated your statement about how LHO was holding the bag in your reply. Tuere is no doubt as to why. Obviously, you understand its importance. Linnie Mae exposed BWF estimate of the bag as being false.

WHY? please tell me. - I'm talking to a brick  - I'll say it again...
A shorter package does not refute what LMR saw. I just don't know what else to say.

Frazier saw a bag from his palm to his armpit. How is that the rifle?

[Michael Capasse]

Put two things together that prove Lee Oswald owns that bag. Just two.
60 pages and Mytton & Nissan have failed with half truth and assumptions.

[Michael Capasse]

Whoa ! Randle makes no mention of the left hand or holding the bottom.

Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.

Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

He's holding it like a grip bag with one hand - but she only saw him from the waist up. (and white t shirt?)
"He had on a white T-shirt, I just saw him from the waist up,..."
it also gives absolutely no indication of a package longer than what Frazier said.
The 36" estimate was added by FBI Bookout by mistake - perhaps even fed to her. She has no reason to lie.

You put far too much weight in this unreliable witness at a glance - against Frazier - who is absolutely sure - palm to armpit.
Looking at this now, NO, her description does NOT match the placement of the fingerprints. Her description makes the bag no longer than what BWF saw

  2x Lee carried an 8 lb. rifle with one hand.

[John Mytton]

Put two things together that prove Lee Oswald owns that bag. Just two.
60 pages and Mytton & Nissan have failed with half truth and assumptions.

Why do CT's always make themselves the ultimate arbiter and for no reasonable reason, deny each and every piece of presented evidence? Lucky we have impartial Jury's, who make decisions based on the evidence and not their overpowering bias!

Oswald's prints were on the bag, and again, Oswald's prints were on the bag.



The bag was a perfect fit for Oswald's rifle.



The bag was recovered in the sniper's nest and Oswald's rifle was discovered on the very same floor.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Whoa ! Randle makes no mention of the left hand or holding the bottom.

Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.

Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

He's holding it like a grip with one hand - She only see him from the wast up.
This gives absolutely no indication of a package longer than what Frazier said.
The 36" estimate was added by FBI Bookout. AND she has no reason to lie.

You put far too much weight in this witness against Frazier - who is - absolutely sure - palm to armpit.
Looking at this now, her description does NOT match the placement of the fingerprints.

  2x Lee carried an 8 lb. rifle with one hand.

The 36" estimate was added by FBI Bookout.

Yeah it was written by Bookout after he wrote "Randle stated..."

Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald walked up the driveway?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald had a long brown package?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald put the long brown package in the back of Wesley's car?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said thereafter Oswald walked to the entrance area?
Did Bookout estimate that Randle said Oswald waited there for Wesley to come out and drive Oswald to work?

RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile. Thereafter, she observed OSWALD walk to the front, or entrance area, of her residence where he waited for FRAZIER to come out of the house and give him a ride to work.

• Randle initial estimate of the length of the long brown package was done out of honesty and all your denials won't change this solid evidence, the fact that she later colluded with Wesley to drastically shrink the package came about because of Wesley's fear, especially after Fritz threatened a poor innocent 19 year old with physical violence.

JohnM