Buell Wesley Frazier

[John Iacoletti]

His estimate was honest but erroneous.   I think he believes his estimate is correct, but we have the bag.

Note the circular argument here.  It's the same bag because it's the same bag.

Also note that "Richard" invents completely fabricated odds that favor his speculated version of events and actually considers that a compelling argument.

If we are going to just invoke "honest but erroneous" when it's convenient then how about Frazier being "honest but erroneous" when he thought that Oswald said he was going to buy his lunch that day?

[Anthony Clayden]

Frazier's testimony is clear.  He asked Oswald about his lunch.  Oswald indicated to him that he was going to buy it that day.  Oswald did not carry his lunch that morning.  He certainly did not carry his lunch that morning in a two-foot plus long bag.

Mr. BALL - Did you notice whether or not Lee had a package that looked like a lunch package that morning?
Mr. FRAZIER - You know like I told you earlier, I say, he didn't take his lunch because I remember right when I got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day.
Mr. BALL - He told you that that day, did he?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. That is right. So, I assumed he was going to buy it, you know, from that catering service man like a lot of the boys do. They don't bring their lunch but they go out and buy their lunch there.

Richard,

Maybe Oswald only bought some things in the bag and was going to buy the rest of his lunch (we know he purchased at least 1 coke),

[Richard Smith]

Richard,

Maybe Oswald only bought some things in the bag and was going to buy the rest of his lunch (we know he purchased at least 1 coke),

So he didn't even have his full lunch in a two-foot plus long bag?  You can't really believe that.  Oswald denied carrying any long bag that morning. 

[Richard Smith]

LOL, concluding that 2+2=4 because 4 equals 2+2 is a circular argument.  So I guess we can discount it and conclude that 2+2 could be equal to anything.  Of course the bag found in the TSBD is relevant to the issue.  It has Oswald's prints on it.  It is found in a location that associates it with the assassination.  It is a long, brown paper bag of the type described by Frazier.  It exists.  Conversely, no bag matching Frazier's size estimate is ever found.  It can't be accounted for in any way.  Oswald denied carrying it.  Something he only has an incentive to do if the bag contains something incriminatory.  I wonder what that might be?

[Walt Cakebread]

So he didn't even have his full lunch in a two-foot plus long bag?  You can't really believe that.  Oswald denied carrying any long bag that morning.

Oswald denied carrying any long bag that morning.

Perhaps you should review the interrogation reports....  Lee DID NOT deny carrying a long bag that morning. Because...
He wasn't asked about the LENGTH ...He was told that he'd been seen carrying a large bag, and Lee replied that He didn't remember the size of his lunch sack...He said that it might have been larger than necessary to hold his lunch and he elaborated..." ya know you can't always find a sack that is just the right size for your lunch."  ( paraphrased)

[Richard Smith]

Oswald denied carrying any long bag that morning.

Perhaps you should review the interrogation reports....  Lee DID NOT deny carrying a long bag that morning. Because...
He wasn't asked about the LENGTH ...He was told that he'd been seen carrying a large bag, and Lee replied that He didn't remember the size of his lunch sack...He said that it might have been larger than necessary to hold his lunch and he elaborated..." ya know you can't always find a sack that is just the right size for your lunch."  ( paraphrased)

Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package.
I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package.
I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."

If you've read the reports that were written at the time . you'd then know that what was pulled from the witnesses mouths  by the LBJ's cover up committee lawyers often conflicts with what the witness said in the 48 hours following the coup d e'tat.

What you've posted is an excellent example of one of those lawyers leading the witness.

[Anthony Clayden]

Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. FRITZ. I told him he had a package and put it in the back seat and it was a package about that long and it was curtain rods. He said he didn't have any kind of a package but his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr. Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package, he saw him go toward the building with this long package.
I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."

Richard,

Firstly these answers are not from recordings or accurate at the time transcriptions but the memories of officers, who were keen to defend the built case.
He answered that he carried his lunch, but his lunch was in something, he may have had the lunch in a large sack not when asked about package thought they meant something more substantive.

As to what he brought, he may have put a piece of fruit or cake for morning tea or as part of his lunch but planned get something more. You always assume that Wesley and Linnie under estimated the length, they may have over estimated it.