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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #712 on: July 24, 2018, 10:14:32 PM »
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Brian.
Do you believe in aliens and the lord and savior Jeeezus H Christ like your mentor RG does?
After all your unnecessary jabs I think we deserve to know.
Howdya feel on evolution?


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #713 on: July 25, 2018, 05:09:11 PM »
On the landing, slightly leaning and with shadow on the back of the head, invisible from Wiegman's POV.


A couple of things, Barry.
-------Ralph Cinque is 5'6", Lovelady was 5'8.5 inches
-------What height is the man in the 'Shelley' position? He certainly looks a lot taller than Ralph. Yet Altgens shows 'Shelley' (height 5'6") higher than Lovelady.
-------Were the steps unchanged between 1963 and 2012?
-------(Most crucially:) If we compare Wiegman and Darnell, we see that the height disparity with Frazier is too great for Lovelady to have beeen on the landing a few frames earlier:




Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #714 on: July 25, 2018, 05:11:08 PM »
It is NOT Carl Edward Jones's raised arm, it belongs to someone dark complected further down Elm (and well out of shot in the Wiegman doorway frames):



Don't believe something so far away from Lovelady could look so near him? Check out this demonstration of how Altgens' zoom lens creates counter-intuitive perspective effects!




Waving hands (Towner):


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #715 on: July 26, 2018, 06:21:23 AM »
Thought experiment!

Imagine if things had gone down differently in the Depository building that day:
----photographic evidence existed proving that a man named Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK from the sixth-floor window
----after LHO's escape from the building, the stabbed body of fellow employee Jack Dougherty was found in the storage room at the front of the first floor
----only one real mystery remained in the case: Where was Jack Dougherty at the time of the assassination? Had he been upstairs helping LHO, only to be betrayed by him when the two of them got downstairs?
----LNers argue that LHO acted alone and that Dougherty must have been downstairs somewhere at the time of the shooting; LHO must have had an altercation with him just before making his exit
----CTers argue that Dougherty was with LHO on the sixth floor

Now, for this thought experiment to work, we must also imagine that LHO was black, and the only known photo of Jack Dougherty is this:


THEN! A figure is spotted standing alone on the west side of the doorway in two sets of footage taken at the time of, and just after, the shooting:



This figure is dubbed 'Prayer Man'.

The LNers get excited. Could this possibly be the elusive proof they have been seeking all these years that Jack Dougherty was NOT with LHO up on the sixth floor?

The CTers go crazy. The statements of every single Depository employee are carefully gone through in the hope of finding an alternative candidate for Prayer Man. The photographic record is painstakingly scrutinised. Relatives of long-deceased employees are even contacted in the hope of finding a viable fit.

Result? The more information comes in, the worse things get for the CTers. No even halfway realistic candidate other than Jack Dougherty remains.

The LNers smile in triumph. A hard core of fanatical CTers, however, refuses to move past their state of denial. They throw ever more irrational objections at what has become perfectly obvious to everyone else: Dougherty is Prayer Man and so could not have been with LHO on the sixth floor. Weirdly, these reality-denying CTers are joined----led, even-----by a peculiar cabal of LNers who refuse to accept that Dougherty is Prayer Man for no better reason than that a) this would destroy their own pet theory of where Dougherty was at the time of the assassination, b) they don't, in their heart of hearts, want the Dougherty mystery to be solved as it would deprive them of their favorite hobby.

Mutatis mutandis, friends, the above describes the absurdity of the current Prayer Man 'impasse'.
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Offline Steve Howsley

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #716 on: July 26, 2018, 06:38:31 AM »
Thought experiment!

Imagine if things had gone down differently in the Depository building that day:
----photographic evidence existed proving that a man named Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK from the sixth-floor window
----after LHO's escape from the building, the stabbed body of fellow employee Jack Dougherty was found in the storage room at the front of the first floor ...

Alan, at this point there would be 45 different scenarios as to how the stabbing took place ranging from Dougherty self inflicting the wounds himself before passing out and expiring through to a circus troupe of Romanian knife throwers practicing their act on the first floor, screwing up big time then grabbing their knives and fleeing across the rail yards.




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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #717 on: July 26, 2018, 06:42:01 AM »
Alan, at this point there would be 45 different scenarios as to how the stabbing took place ranging from Dougherty self inflicting the wounds himself before passing out and expiring through to a circus troupe of Romanian knife throwers practicing their act on the first floor, screwing up big time then grabbing their knives and fleeing across the rail yards.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #718 on: July 26, 2018, 03:56:00 PM »
Dougherty?


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #719 on: July 26, 2018, 05:09:23 PM »
Dougherty?



Surely that's Lovelady, Chris?

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« Reply #719 on: July 26, 2018, 05:09:23 PM »