Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

That's just this thing.  Darnell doesn't give us enough detail to correctly identify Buell Wesley Frazier (and others).  If all you had to go on is Darnell, how would you surmise that was Frazier?

Because it looks like him: the hair, the height.
Then again, perhaps it's not Frazier. Perhaps it's a bald black man. I take it that you, applying the same observation to 'Frazier' as to 'Prayer Person' (i.e. a blob of undifferentiated pixels), would refuse to rule that possibility out? Sauce for the goose, right?

[Alan Ford]

From Dom Bonafede, 'The Picture With A Life Of Its Own', NY Herald Tribune, 23 May 1964:



Note that, according to Mr Lovelady, their worry was not that some clueless members of the public would look at Altgens and be mistakenly convinced it was Mr Oswald, but that Altgens would turn out to be showing Mr Oswald actually on those steps.

Question for inquiring minds!
Why would any FBI agents have even considered Mr Oswald's being on the front steps as a possibility when Mr Oswald himself was telling his interrogators that he was somewhere else on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building? Why would Altgens have even been a worry for them? I mean, if the suspect himself is claiming no such thing, where's the problem?

[Larry Trotter]

From Dom Bonafede, 'The Picture With A Life Of Its Own', NY Herald Tribune, 23 May 1964:



Note that, according to Mr Lovelady, their worry was not that some clueless members of the public would look at Altgens and be mistakenly convinced it was Mr Oswald, but that Altgens would turn out to be showing Mr Oswald actually on those steps.

Question for inquiring minds!
Why would any FBI agents have even considered Mr Oswald's being on the front steps as a possibility when Mr Oswald himself was telling his interrogators that he was somewhere else on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building? Why would Altgens have even been a worry for them? I mean, if the suspect himself is claiming no such thing, where's the problem?

It is known as Image Resemblance. Try real hard to understand that the TSBD Elm St Entrance Portal was background imaging some distance behind the Limousine focus point for Altgens6 Photograph.And. I am sure they just sought confirmation from BillyLovelady that it was him. Why else would they seek him out?

[Alan Ford]

From Dom Bonafede, 'The Picture With A Life Of Its Own', NY Herald Tribune, 23 May 1964:



Note that, according to Mr Lovelady, their worry was not that some clueless members of the public would look at Altgens and be mistakenly convinced it was Mr Oswald, but that Altgens would turn out to be showing Mr Oswald actually on those steps.

Question for inquiring minds!
Why would any FBI agents have even considered Mr Oswald's being on the front steps as a possibility when Mr Oswald himself was telling his interrogators that he was somewhere else on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building? Why would Altgens have even been a worry for them? I mean, if the suspect himself is claiming no such thing, where's the problem?

Ironically, it is the zeal of these FBI agents to explain away an image that is not of Mr Oswald (= Mr Lovelady in the doorway in Altgens) that tips us off as to their grounds for fearing that Mr Oswald really might show up in an image showing the west side of the doorway....
What Mr Oswald Was Saying In Custody!

Thus! We begin to understand just why it was that no specifics are given in the first (=joint) FBI interrogation report as to where exactly on the first floor Mr Oswald was claiming to have been when President John F. Kennedy passed the building...



Remember, remember: Mr Lovelady in Altgens looks like he is way over on the west side of the doorway
------precisely Mr Oswald's claimed location at the time of the assassination!
------precisely (though this will not emerge for some years) the location of Prayer Person!

[Alan Ford]

Ironically, it is the zeal of these FBI agents to explain away an image that is not of Mr Oswald (= Mr Lovelady in the doorway in Altgens) that tips us off as to their grounds for fearing that Mr Oswald really might show up in an image showing the west side of the doorway....
What Mr Oswald Was Saying In Custody!

Thus! We begin to understand just why it was that no specifics are given in the first (=joint) FBI interrogation report as to where exactly on the first floor Mr Oswald was claiming to have been when President John F. Kennedy passed the building...



Remember, remember: Mr Lovelady in Altgens looks like he is way over on the west side of the doorway
------precisely Mr Oswald's claimed location at the time of the assassination!
------precisely (though this will not emerge for some years) the location of Prayer Person!

Now!

The Prayer Person figure on the west of the front entrance is not just any figure. It is a figure whom certain people have spent the past 5 years desperately trying to identify as some Depository employee other than Mr Oswald. Because they at least have the smarts to understand how the simple process of elimination works. And, the more zealous their efforts, the more they reveal their awareness of the problem which Prayer Person's enigmatic presence presents.

For these people, Anyone But Oswald will do!

Except, it turns out that no one other than Oswald will do... 

Bill Shelley? Nope!
Billy Lovelady? Nope!
Roy Edward Lewis? Nope!
Pauline Sanders? Nope!
Ruth Dean? Nope!
Sarah Stanton! Nope!
Buell Wesley Frazier! Nope!
Madie Reese? Nope!
Eddie Piper? Nope! (Although Mr John Iacoletti may feel differently about this one, as he believes Prayer Person may possibly be a bald black man...)
Otis Williams? Nope!
Joe Molina? Nope!
etc!
etc!

And yet , through it all, Prayer Person still stands, still resembling Mr Oswald, and still located in that part of the doorway which the FBI agents who visited Mr Oswald's lookalike Mr Lovelady were evidently so worried about (viz., the west side).

If there were any way on earth to argue that Prayer Person were Mr Lovelady (i.e. if Prayer Person weren't seen standing next to Mr Lovelady in the Wiegman frames, and if Mr Lovelady hadn't testified to having left the steps by this time), then does anyone seriously doubt that the resemblance between Prayer Person and Mr Lovelady would have been acknowledged by 'serious researchers'?

Of course not! But when the stakes are raised----i.e. when not Mr Lovelady but Mr Lovelady's lookalike Mr Oswald turns out to be the sole remaining credible candidate for Prayer Person-----well... that's a whole different ballgame. That's when the Anyone But The Obvious Candidate sophistry kicks in.

And yet, through it all, Prayer Person still stands, still resembling Mr Oswald, still breaking LNer and Lunchroom-Story-Devotee hearts everywhere. 

[Steve Barber]

Now!

The Prayer Person figure on the west of the front entrance is not just any figure. It is a figure whom certain people have spent the past 5 years desperately trying to identify as some Depository employee other than Mr Oswald. Because they at least have the smarts to understand how the simple process of elimination works. And, the more zealous their efforts, the more they reveal their awareness of the problem which Prayer Person's enigmatic presence presents.

For these people, Anyone But Oswald will do!

Except, it turns out that no one other than Oswald will do... 

Bill Shelley? Nope!
Billy Lovelady? Nope!
Roy Edward Lewis? Nope!
Pauline Sanders? Nope!
Ruth Dean? Nope!
Sarah Stanton! Nope!
Buell Wesley Frazier! Nope!
Madie Reese? Nope!
Eddie Piper? Nope! (Although Mr John Iacoletti may feel differently about this one, as he believes Prayer Person may possibly be a bald black man...)
Otis Williams? Nope!
Joe Molina? Nope!
etc!
etc!

And yet , through it all, Prayer Person still stands, still resembling Mr Oswald, and still located in that part of the doorway which the FBI agents who visited Mr Oswald's lookalike Mr Lovelady were evidently so worried about (viz., the west side).

If there were any way on earth to argue that Prayer Person were Mr Lovelady (i.e. if Prayer Person weren't seen standing next to Mr Lovelady in the Wiegman frames, and if Mr Lovelady hadn't testified to having left the steps by this time), then does anyone seriously doubt that the resemblance between Prayer Person and Mr Lovelady would have been acknowledged by 'serious researchers'?

Of course not! But when the stakes are raised----i.e. when not Mr Lovelady but Mr Lovelady's lookalike Mr Oswald turns out to be the sole remaining credible candidate for Prayer Person-----well... that's a whole different ballgame. That's when the Anyone But The Obvious Candidate sophistry kicks in.

And yet, through it all, Prayer Person still stands, still resembling Mr Oswald, still breaking LNer and Lunchroom-Story-Devotee hearts everywhere. 

 "And yet, through it all, Prayer Person still stands, still resembling Mr Oswald, still breaking LNer and Lunchroom-Story-Devotee hearts everywhere." 

  Not breaking my heart.  Big freaking deal that the person "resembles  Mr.Oswald".  Resembling Oswald and being Oswald = two different things.  You don't have an ounce of solid proof that it is Oswald. In fact, all the evidence--based upon the people who were standing in the entrance way to the TSBD--clobbers your theory to smithereens.  No one standing there saw the most famous criminal on earth on 11/22/63 standing in that area.  Had they, it would have immediately been reported as soon as Oswald was a reported suspect.  You have nothing but a conspiracy theory.  You conspiracy buffs are a dime a dozen.  Other than your opinion, provide proof that it's Oswald in the doorway.   Did anyone say they saw him in the entrance way while the assassination took place, or immediately thereafter? Did Buell Frazier say Oswald was standing there at any time during or after the shooting?    If they did, who are they?  Let's see some solid proof that someone saw Oswald in the entrance way of the TSBD after the shooting, like you claim
 we are seeing in the Darnell film frames .     

[Martin Weidmann]

"And yet, through it all, Prayer Person still stands, still resembling Mr Oswald, still breaking LNer and Lunchroom-Story-Devotee hearts everywhere." 

  Not breaking my heart.  Big freaking deal that the person "resembles  Mr.Oswald".  Resembling Oswald and being Oswald = two different things.  You don't have an ounce of solid proof that it is Oswald. In fact, all the evidence--based upon the people who were standing in the entrance way to the TSBD--clobbers your theory to smithereens.  No one standing there saw the most famous criminal on earth on 11/22/63 standing in that area.  Had they, it would have immediately been reported as soon as Oswald was a reported suspect.  You have nothing but a conspiracy theory.  You conspiracy buffs are a dime a dozen.  Other than your opinion, provide proof that it's Oswald in the doorway.   Did anyone say they saw him in the entrance way while the assassination took place, or immediately thereafter? Did Buell Frazier say Oswald was standing there at any time during or after the shooting?    If they did, who are they?  Let's see some solid proof that someone saw Oswald in the entrance way of the TSBD after the shooting, like you claim
 we are seeing in the Darnell film frames .   

No one standing there saw the most famous criminal on earth on 11/22/63 standing in that area.  Had they, it would have immediately been reported as soon as Oswald was a reported suspect.

What makes you so sure that the latter did not happen [and possibly nobody wanted to know]? Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, right?

Did anyone say they saw him in the entrance way while the assassination took place, or immediately thereafter? Did Buell Frazier say Oswald was standing there at any time during or after the shooting? 

For lack of first hand knowledge, I assume not, but could it not be that people for whatever reason simply did not want to get involved by coming forward? Or is it your contention that witnesses always come forward and tell all, regardless of fear and possible consequences?   

Btw Frazier did say years later that, some time after the shots had been fired, he saw Oswald walking down Houston, coming from the TSBD loading dock, towards Elm, which is also something he never came forward with before and which is clearly something that conflicts with the official version of events.

[Alan Ford]

Big freaking deal that the person "resembles  Mr.Oswald".

So we agree that Prayer Person resembles Mr Oswald 

Now if only the evidence allowed you and your friends to
a---------------offer solid proof that Mr Oswald was somewhere else at the time!
b---------------claim that Prayer Person is Mr Oswald's lookalike co-worker Mr Lovelady!

Resembling Oswald and being Oswald = two different things.

Yes, that certainly explains the embarrassing vacillations of your star witness, Mr Howard Brennan!

You don't have an ounce of solid proof that it is Oswald.

You don't have an ounce of solid proof that Mr Oswald was up at the sixth-floor window.

We've got Prayer Man, which confirms Mr Oswald's claim to have been on the first floor at the time of the motorcade.
You, on the other hand, have got------

No one standing there saw the most famous criminal on earth on 11/22/63 standing in that area.

The most famous criminal on earth? Golly, I had no idea the Walker shooting had attracted such public interest! How was Mr Oswald even allowed into the building for work that morning? 

Did Buell Frazier say Oswald was standing there at any time during or after the shooting?

Oh, I'm sure Mr Frazier told Captain Will Fritz that very night. You know, Captain Fritz-------the guy who threatened Mr Frazier with physical violence and with a charge of involvement in the plot to kill President Kennedy. The guy whose legacy you and your friends are trying to protect.