Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?

[Tim Nickerson]

After quite meticulously wiping off his prints

Who has made that argument? 

[Walt Cakebread]

The scope was misaligned when they found it in the TSBD. To zero it in they needed to shim it. There is no way the scope could have helped anyone shooting the Carcano hit a target on 11/22/63.

The iron sights were fixed and zero'd in at 200 meters. When US Army experts test fired the rifle for the WC using the iron sights, at the distances the WC claimed, the bullets tended to not only miss high they sailed over the top of the board holding the target at the head shot distance.

Those same Army experts found the bolt action to be sticky. Cycling the bolt between shots caused their shooters to take the sights off the
target. The LN shooter didn't have time to reacquire a moving target between shots in the time the WC came up with.

The trigger on the Carcano was 2 stage. They found the 2nd stage to be a hair trigger that took live practice firing.
There is no record of Ozzie practice firing it.


~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. Do you think a marksman who is less than a highly skilled marksman under those conditions would be able to
shoot in the range of 1.2-mil aiming error?
Mr. SIMMONS. Obviously considerable experience would have to be in one's background to do so. And with this weapon, I
think also considerable experience with this weapon, because of the amount of effort required to work the bolt.
Mr. EISENBERG. Would do what? You mean would improve the accuracy?
Mr. SIMMONS. Yes. In our experiments, the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we tended to move the rifle off the
target, whereas with greater proficiency this might not have occurred.

~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. When you say proficiency with this weapon, Mr. Simmons, could you go into detail as to what you mean--do
you mean accuracy with this weapon, or familiarity with the weapon?
Mr. SIMMONS. I mean familiarity basically with two things. One is the action of the bolt itself, and the force required
to open it; and two, the action of the trigger, which is a two-stage trigger.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can familiarity with the trigger and with the bolt be acquired in dry practice?
Mr. SIMMONS. Familiarity with the bolt can, probably as well as during live firing. But familiarity with the trigger
would best be achieved with some firing.

~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. Why is there this difference between familiarity with the bolt and familiarity with the trigger in dry firing?
Mr. SIMMONS. There tends to be a reaction between the firer and the weapon at the time the weapon is fired, due to the
recoil impulse. And I do not believe the action of the bolt going home would sufficiently simulate the action of the recoil
of the weapon.


Mr. SIMMONS. Yes. But there are two stages to the trigger. Our riflemen were all used to a trigger with a constant pull.
When the slack was taken up, then they expected the round to fire. But actually when the slack is taken up, you tend to
have a hair trigger here, which requires a bit of getting used to.
Mr. McCLOY. This does not have a hair trigger after the slack is taken up?
Mr. SIMMONS. This tends to have the hair trigger as soon as you move it after the slack is taken up. You achieve or you
feel greater resistance to the movement of the trigger, and then ordinarily you would expect the weapon to have fired,
and in this case then as you move it to overcome that, it fires immediately. And our firers were moving the shoulder into
the weapon.

~snip~

The scope was misaligned when they found it in the TSBD. To zero it in they needed to shim it. There is no way the scope could have helped anyone shooting the Carcano hit a target on 11/22/63.

The iron sights were fixed and zero'd in at 200 meters. When US Army experts test fired the rifle for the WC using the iron sights, at the distances the WC claimed, the bullets tended to not only miss high they sailed over the top of the board holding the target at the head shot distance.

Those same Army experts found the bolt action to be sticky. Cycling the bolt between shots caused their shooters to take the sights off the
target. The LN shooter didn't have time to reacquire a moving target between shots in the time the WC came up with.

The trigger on the Carcano was 2 stage. They found the 2nd stage to be a hair trigger that took live practice firing.
There is no record of Ozzie practice firing it.

Excellent and valid points....  The bottom line is;... nobody could have murdered JFK with that rifle on 11/22/63.   Not even an expert like Carlos Hathcock....

[Tim Nickerson]

Sorry....  It cannot be done....    The configuration of the cramped cubbyhole behind the window of and by itself precludes the feasibility of anybody firing a rifle as proposed by LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee of Venerated and Honorable Men" (aka the Warren Commission)

Sorry but it was done. Beyond any reasonable doubt. The two large bullet fragments found in the limo, the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland, and the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor. Anyone who has viewed the evidence and denies that it happened is simply not reasonable. They cannot be reasoned with.

[Walt Cakebread]

Sorry but it was done. Beyond any reasonable doubt. The two large bullet fragments found in the limo, the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland, and the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor. Anyone who has viewed the evidence and denies that it happened is simply not reasonable. They cannot be reasoned with.

The two large bullet fragments found in the limo,

J. Edna Hoover  told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were worthless for determining  if they had been fired from a particular rifle.

the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland,

Nobody knows where that "Magic Bullet" was found   ....  It was never verified on which stretcher the bullet was found.

the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor.

BFD!....  When??   I ask...Can you PROVE when the cartridges were fired in the rifle?   We know that it could not have been that day because the bore was dirty and rusty....

[Tim Nickerson]

The two large bullet fragments found in the limo,

J. Edna Hoover  told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were worthless for determining  if they had been fired from a particular rifle.

J.Edna Hoover? Who was she? FBI Expert Robert Frazier testified under oath the he was able to match the fragments to the rifle.

the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland,

Nobody knows where that "Magic Bullet" was found   ....  It was never verified on which stretcher the bullet was found.

CE399 was found on Connally's stretcher. The earliest statements made by those who handled the stretcher confirm it.

the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor.

BFD!....  When??   I ask...Can you PROVE when the cartridges were fired in the rifle?   We know that it could not have been that day because the bore was dirty and rusty....

I don't need to prove when the cartridges were fired. They were found in the sniper's nest and were fired in the same rifle as the two bullets that struck Kennedy. The bore of the rifle was neither dirty nor rusty. You should know better. You've had it explained to you a multitude of times.

[Gary Craig]

Sorry but it was done. Beyond any reasonable doubt. The two large bullet fragments found in the limo, the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland, and the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor. Anyone who has viewed the evidence and denies that it happened is simply not reasonable. They cannot be reasoned with.

Wesley J. Liebeler, one of the Warren Commission’s senior attorneys, critiqued their analysis of Ozzie's rifle capabilities.
Number .17 on the list sums up his conclusion. A classic case of circular logic.

[Tim Nickerson]

Wesley J. Liebeler, one of the Warren Commission’s senior attorneys, critiqued their analysis of Ozzie's rifle capabilities.
Number .17 on the list sums up his conclusion. A classic case of circular logic.

"The conclusion indicates that Oswald had the capability to fire three shots with two hits from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds." 

If he was capable of firing three shots with two hits in 4.8 seconds, then three shots with two hits in 8.6 seconds was a piece of cake for him. 

[Gary Craig]

The two large bullet fragments found in the limo,

J. Edna Hoover  told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were worthless for determining  if they had been fired from a particular rifle.

the bullet found on Connally's stretcher at Parkland,

Nobody knows where that "Magic Bullet" was found   ....  It was never verified on which stretcher the bullet was found.

the three empty shell casings found in the sniper's nest were matched to the rifle found in the sixth floor.

BFD!....  When??   I ask...Can you PROVE when the cartridges were fired in the rifle?   We know that it could not have been that day because the bore was dirty and rusty....

"J. Edna Hoover  told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were worthless for determining  if they had been fired from a particular rifle."

What he said to LBJ.

11/23/63
J. Edgar Hoover: I just wanted to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case -
this man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they
have at the present time is not very, very strong. We have just discovered the place where the gun was purchased and the shipment
of the gun from Chicago to Dallas, to a post office box in Dallas, to a man - no, to a woman by the name of "A. Hidell."... We
had it flown up last night, and our laboratory here is making an examination of it.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Yes, I told the Secret Service to see that that got taken care of.

J. Edgar Hoover: That's right. We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one full bullet that was found. That was on
the stretcher that the President was on. It apparently had fallen out when they massaged his heart, and we have that one. We have
what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification. As soon as we finish the testing of the gun for fingerprints
... we will then be able to test the one bullet we have with the gun. But the important thing is that this gun was bought in Chicago
on a money order. Cost twenty-one dollars, and it seems almost impossible to think that for twenty-one dollars you could kill the
President of the United States.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Now, who is A. Hidell?

J. Edgar Hoover: A. Hidell is an alias that this man has used on other occasions, and according to the information we have from the
house in which he was living - his mother - he kept a rifle like this wrapped up in a blanket which he kept in the house. On the
morning that this incident occurred down there - yesterday - the man who drove him to the building where they work, the building from
where the shots came, said that he had a package wrapped up in paper... But the important thing at the time is that the location of
the purchase of the gun by a money order apparently to the Klein Gun Company in Chicago - we were able to establish that last night.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man
who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his
appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a
letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of
his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI. Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the
Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation. No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we
know what they receive... The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this
man who was at the... Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything,
but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.