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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #152 on: February 04, 2020, 11:51:05 PM »
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Again, as Jack asked, how could anyone possibly have known they would have to "plant" anything at the hospital?

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #153 on: February 05, 2020, 12:10:50 AM »
Oh hell. Here enjoy the fiasco completely... 
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/kennedy-assassination-bullets-preserved-digital-form
What eyewitlesses "confirm" only two shots?

The bullet fragments were matched to the rifle found the 6th floor. Frazier explains how that was accomplished

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this? Is this a bullet fragment, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. This consists of a piece of the jacket portion of a bullet from the nose area and a piece of the lead core from under the jacket.
Mr. EISENBERG - How were you able to conclude it is part of the nose area?
Mr. FRAZIER - Because of the rifling marks which extend part way up the side, and then have the characteristic leading edge impressions and no longer continue along the bullet, and by the fact that the bullet has a rounded contour to it which has not been mutilated.


Two shot witnesses:

Jackie, Nellie, JBC, Greer, Clint Hill, Landis, BRW, Zapruder, Altgens, Brehm, Kellerman, Jarman, Brennan, Sitzman, Betzner, Hargis, Chaney,  Wright, Darnell, Slack, Kantor, Roberts, Hesters, Newmans, Chisms, Jean Newman, Sheriff Decker, Mudd,  M Willis, Templin, Brandt, Burney, Donaldson, Whitaker, Murphy, Miller,Summers, Powell, Kinney, Hickey, Bennett, Powers and O'Donnell....

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #154 on: February 05, 2020, 12:22:58 AM »
The bullet fragments were matched to the rifle found the 6th floor. Frazier explains how that was accomplished

Frazier “accomplished” this by lining up the marks of the mutilated fragments in his mind, even though they did not actually physically line up in the microscope.

And there is no documented chain of custody for how these fragments got to Frazier in the first place.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #155 on: February 05, 2020, 12:48:36 AM »
Again, as Jack asked, how could anyone possibly have known they would have to "plant" anything at the hospital?

Because they knew there were no bullets in the limo, JFK and Connally that matched the rifle they planted in the TSBD, of course. Duh.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #156 on: February 05, 2020, 01:19:27 AM »
Frazier “accomplished” this by lining up the marks of the mutilated fragments in his mind, even though they did not actually physically line up in the microscope.

And there is no documented chain of custody for how these fragments got to Frazier in the first place.

I'm sure that anybody who believes that those fragments from the Limo could be traced to a particular rifle,,,,,,  Also believe in the Easter bunny.   They'll believe anything that allows them to live happily ever after.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #157 on: February 05, 2020, 01:32:05 AM »
The bullet fragments were matched to the rifle found the 6th floor. Frazier explains how that was accomplished

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this? Is this a bullet fragment, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. This consists of a piece of the jacket portion of a bullet from the nose area and a piece of the lead core from under the jacket.
Mr. EISENBERG - How were you able to conclude it is part of the nose area?
Mr. FRAZIER - Because of the rifling marks which extend part way up the side, and then have the characteristic leading edge impressions and no longer continue along the bullet, and by the fact that the bullet has a rounded contour to it which has not been mutilated.


Two shot witnesses:

Jackie, Nellie, JBC, Greer, Clint Hill, Landis, BRW, Zapruder, Altgens, Brehm, Kellerman, Jarman, Brennan, Sitzman, Betzner, Hargis, Chaney,  Wright, Darnell, Slack, Kantor, Roberts, Hesters, Newmans, Chisms, Jean Newman, Sheriff Decker, Mudd,  M Willis, Templin, Brandt, Burney, Donaldson, Whitaker, Murphy, Miller,Summers, Powell, Kinney, Hickey, Bennett, Powers and O'Donnell....

Did any of these earwitnesses first think the first loud explosion a firecracker or backfire, by any chance? And one of the shots shook the building apparently, which possibly meant the Carcano was more inside the building than the others, effecting a muffling effect downrange.
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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #158 on: February 05, 2020, 01:47:44 AM »
Because they knew there were no bullets in the limo, JFK and Connally that matched the rifle they planted in the TSBD, of course. Duh.

So in a nutshell nobody could have known so the bullet was not planted?

Trojan---"Face it, CE 139 was the planted patsy rifle. They used it to shoot magic bullet CE 399 into a swimming pool so they could plant it on the wrong stretcher in pristine condition with no DNA on it. Yeah, not too difficult"

The bullet was hardly pristine.

Dr. BADEN - Yes, sir. Absolutely, but with qualification. We on the medical panel have certain problems, as have other doctors in the past, in evaluating the injuries produced by the so-called "pristine bullet", which is a media term that is inaccurate: it is like being a little bit pregnant--it is either pristine or it is not pristine. This is a damaged bullet and this is not a pristine bullet. This is a bullet that is deformed; it would be very difficult to take a hammer and flatten it to the degree that this is flattened. This is a partially deformed bullet with a heavy jacket. The problem is that although in New York City we see more than 1,000 gunshot wound deaths a year, in a civilian population it is most unusual to encounter military ammunition; and in military practice where people are killed by rifle bullets, autopsies, and follow-up correlations are not performed as in the civilian death situation. Very few people, if any, have had autopsy experience with the Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 millimeter ammunition in a civilian population. However, we do see copper-jacketed handgun bullets not infrequently, and typically, a copper-jacketed handgun bullet will cause extensive damage and deform very little. In fact, according to the Geneva Convention, military bullets must be jacketed so that they do not split up and deform. They are meant to cause minimal injury and suffering while killing somebody; the bullets are designed so as not to break up into many different parts and to be minimally deformed.

Dr Petty.....There is nothing here that is unusual or spectacular or unexpected. This is the behavior of a full metal jacketed bullet, a bullet covered in all areas except the base by means of the firm, hard, tough, not easy to deform jacket.

Now, the reason that this ammunition is used militarily was explained yesterday. The reason that such ammunition is not used by law enforcement officers, one of the major reasons, is that such bullets do go through people and strike others, and every law enforcement agency in the world is concerned about this.





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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2020, 01:57:15 AM »
So in a nutshell nobody could have known so the bullet was not planted?

Huh? Use some logic for a change. They needed to plant a bullet that could positively be matched to the planted rifle. Comprende?

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« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2020, 01:57:15 AM »