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Offline Andrew Mason

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #152 on: May 08, 2018, 08:40:27 PM »
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Given the alignment of JBC and JFK in the car and the use of jacketed military ammunition, how do you explain the location and trajectory of the elliptical wound in JBC's back if the bullet does not first pass through JFK?
An elliptical wound is made by a non-tumbling bullet striking nose first at an angle.  It cannot be made by a tumbling bullet. An ellipse is a symmetrical shape. 

A tumbling bullet makes an asymmetrical shape that looks either like the side profile of the bullet or is ovoid ie. egg-shaped (rounded at both ends but more pointed at one end than the other).

Dr. Shaw said the wound was "elliptical" not "ovoid".  Dr. Shaw made a point of noting that the bullet made a "tunneling" path through JBC.  That is consistent with a non-tumbling bullet and inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.

This just another example of the twisting of facts that proponents of the SBT make.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #153 on: May 08, 2018, 08:52:38 PM »
An elliptical wound is made by a non-tumbling bullet striking nose first at an angle.  It cannot be made by a tumbling bullet. An ellipse is a symmetrical shape. 

A tumbling bullet makes an asymmetrical shape that looks either like the side profile of the bullet or is ovoid ie. egg-shaped (rounded at both ends but more pointed at one end than the other).

Dr. Shaw said the wound was "elliptical" not "ovoid".  Dr. Shaw made a point of noting that the bullet made a "tunneling" path through JBC.  That is consistent with a non-tumbling bullet and inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.

This just another example of the twisting of facts that proponents of the SBT make.


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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #154 on: May 08, 2018, 08:56:11 PM »
Part 1 of destroying the SBT:



The circle on the x-ray shows the damage caused by the MB. Looks like it smashed thru bone to me. But it looks kinda high on JFK to have come from the TSBD. LNers what do you think?

It never touched bone.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #155 on: May 08, 2018, 08:59:09 PM »
Part 2 of destroying the SBT:

If the MB entered at C7 (according to the x-ray) then it must have exited at T1 if it had a 17 degree downward trajectory from the TSBD. JFK's throat exit wound was actually at C6. LNers, WTF?



You say that the bullet must have exited at T1 , yet your graphic has it exiting at C7.

How have you determined that the exit wound was at C6?

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #156 on: May 08, 2018, 09:06:29 PM »
It never touched bone.

Yes it did. It must have. At a 12 degree pitch, the bullet hits the spine as depicted on JFK's x-ray. You do trust the x-ray, don't you?


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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #157 on: May 08, 2018, 09:15:27 PM »
You say that the bullet must have exited at T1 , yet your graphic has it exiting at C7.

No, draw a horizontal line from the point the bullet hits JFK's back. That is the bottom of C7. The bullet actually exits at T1. But don't trust my graphic BTW, I was giving you the full benefit of the doubt to help you out. I just couldn't fudge it enough to make it work.

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How have you determined that the exit wound was at C6?

What vertebrae is just below your Adam's apple? Better yet, do my laser experiment and SHOW me how the bullet entered at C7 and exited at C7.
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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #158 on: May 09, 2018, 12:04:17 AM »

And the point is?.....  That hardly looks like an ellipse.  It looks like a bullet hole from a non-jacketed or soft point bullet that was yawing after it struck the first object.  The irregular outline of the entry in the skin is due to the irregular outline of the bullet nose after striking the first target.

Find an entry wound from a bullet fired at a 30 degree angle to the target surface.  You will find that it makes an ellipse whose long axis is twice as long as the short axis. That is what Shaw observed.
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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #159 on: May 09, 2018, 05:43:12 AM »
And the point is?.....  That hardly looks like an ellipse.  It looks like a bullet hole from a non-jacketed or soft point bullet that was yawing after it struck the first object.  The irregular outline of the entry in the skin is due to the irregular outline of the bullet nose after striking the first target.

Find an entry wound from a bullet fired at a 30 degree angle to the target surface.  You will find that it makes an ellipse whose long axis is twice as long as the short axis. That is what Shaw observed.

The point is that that  is what a wound made from a yawed bullet strike looks like. It does look like an ellipse.

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« Reply #159 on: May 09, 2018, 05:43:12 AM »