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Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #232 on: February 04, 2024, 10:39:33 AM »
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #233 on: February 04, 2024, 10:01:41 PM »
Gal has now in altgens6 stopped clapping & is holding her handbag with her hand.


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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #234 on: February 06, 2024, 05:02:55 PM »

If you are trying to find bullet damage in Altgens 6 you won't. According to Altgens there was definitely only one shot to that point.  According to Tague himself, Tague was struck on the cheek on the second shot.  According to SBT adherents, damage could only have occurred on the third shot.

It is not much but it is certainly interesting that there appears to be a difference in the orientation of the rearview mirror between Altgens #6 and Altgens #7.   

The four identical horizontal lines on Altgens 6 show that the car and the mirror are horizontally aligned:

 

It is a bit more difficult to find the car horizontal in Altgens 7 because the car is accelerating as it negotiates the left to right curve and Clint Hill has jumped on the left rear. Both of these things push the car down toward the left rear. 



But it does seem that there is a marked difference between the orientation of the mirror between Altgens 6 and Altgens 7


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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #235 on: February 06, 2024, 07:24:08 PM »
If you are trying to find bullet damage in Altgens 6 you won't.

Yet it is mighty strange that the zone in Altgens 6 perfectly matches the position of the bullet impact photographed at Parkland:


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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #236 on: February 06, 2024, 07:48:42 PM »
I've finally figured it out.
We can only see the handle of the woman's bag!

The bullet impact is over what we might have seen of the rest of the bag (over Kennedy's shoulder):


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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #237 on: February 06, 2024, 07:55:46 PM »
Yet it is mighty strange that the zone in Altgens 6 perfectly matches the position of the bullet impact photographed at Parkland:


The damage was not as large as your shaded area.  This is the damage to the windshield glass as showing to the WC:



The area is less than a square inch.

Also, it appears that whatever that area is, it is behind JFK's shoulder in Altgens' #6:






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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #238 on: February 06, 2024, 10:11:47 PM »
The damage was not as large as your shaded area.  This is the damage to the windshield glass as showing to the WC:
The area is less than a square inch.

Nope. It's a question of light refraction. In the Altgens photos, the windshield is being hit by full sunshine, so the impact diffuses the light and makes it look bigger, as you can see in the photo on the right here:



Also, it appears that whatever that area is, it is behind JFK's shoulder in Altgens' #6:

No. Part of the handbag is behind JFK's shoulder. The bullet impact is on the windshield. You can even see rays of light streaming away from it:



You can also see the centre of the impact point (grey zone within the white).

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #239 on: February 06, 2024, 10:36:51 PM »
It is not much but it is certainly interesting that there appears to be a difference in the orientation of the rearview mirror between Altgens #6 and Altgens #7.   

The four identical horizontal lines on Altgens 6 show that the car and the mirror are horizontally aligned:

 

It is a bit more difficult to find the car horizontal in Altgens 7 because the car is accelerating as it negotiates the left to right curve and Clint Hill has jumped on the left rear. Both of these things push the car down toward the left rear. 



But it does seem that there is a marked difference between the orientation of the mirror between Altgens 6 and Altgens 7
The AR15 hollow-point that dented the chrome trim at say Z310 contacted the chrome on the crease in the chrome, a little right of center of windshield.
Below the chrome crease the chrome angled forward a little.
The radiating initial lead splatter of the disintegrating slug thusly angled down, & forward a little, & some of the initial splatter hit the right-hand-side of the mirror, knocking that side down a little (& damaging the mirror they say).
Bearing in mind that the rhs of the mirror would have been turned back a little compared to the lhs. Thusly the rhs suffered splatter, the lhs suffered zero splatter.
Halfway throo impact the dent would have been deeper & the splatter would have been more evenly spread all round (up down left right) at 360 deg, & all of it backward, ie not near the mirror.
I have never seen an exact description of the damage to the mirror. I doubt that damage is visible in photos at Parkland & at the garage.
I am fairly certain that the mirror is not listed as needing replacement during the Dec1963 repairs & upgrades & modifications to the jfklimo.
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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