Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Richard Smith]

This is the Alamo position of the contrarian.

No it's asking for evidence. I can't help it if that's a foreign concept to you.

When all else fails and the evidence proves some point they don't want to accept, we learn it "might" be planted.

What "all the evidence" might that be?

There is no valid basis to discuss the case or evidence if at the end of the day it can be dismissed upon no basis whatsoever by contending the evidence "might" or "possibly" be planted.

Asking for evidence that shows the revolver now in the National Archives is the one taken from Oswald is completely different than contending the evidence "might" or "possibly" be planted.
The way to avoid having to deal with such a possible claim is simply by providing the evidence.

That is not even allowed in a criminal trial context.  There must be at least some basis to argue the evidence is planted.  Not just that it could have happened.

Who is saying that? You are the one who is turning a straightforward request for evidence being presented into a silly "it could be planted" claim.

He just ignores all evidence of Oswald's guilt and makes arguments like this one.

Huh.. asking for evidence to be presented is "ignoring all the evidence" in your book? Oh boy.... 

Unreal.  You were given evidence.  The documentation posted confirms that a pistol with a specific serial number was sent to Oswald/Hidell.  That is the same pistol in his possession upon arrest.  I'm not sure how there could be much more evidence than the fact that the pistol sent to Oswald is the same one he has in his possession.  As usual, you just ignore the actual evidence and go down another pedantic rabbit hole suggesting any evidence of Oswald's guilt is the product of fakery.  Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.  And think of the narrative behind it.  The DPD would frame Oswald for a crime they know he did not commit.  They would allow Tippit's murderer to go free but only after acquiring his pistol to plant on Oswald as the murder weapon.  Why they would do this is left unexplained.  They would then need to somehow manipulate all the documentation in the hands of external sources to link Oswald to the pistol.  They manage to somehow do all this within hours of his arrest. 

[Bill Chapman]

Because Oswald didn't have it with him in the Theater.

How do you know this? Was the Texas Theater searched? Or do you just assume that he didn't have a jacket with him?

Mr Belin: Any jacket?
Mr Brewer: No.

[Gerry Down]

Unreal.  You were given evidence.  The documentation posted confirms that a pistol with a specific serial number was sent to Oswald/Hidell.  That is the same pistol in his possession upon arrest.  I'm not sure how there could be much more evidence than the fact that the pistol sent to Oswald is the same one he has in his possession.  As usual, you just ignore the actual evidence and go down another pedantic rabbit hole suggesting any evidence of Oswald's guilt is the product of fakery.  Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.  And think of the narrative behind it.  The DPD would frame Oswald for a crime they know he did not commit.  They would allow Tippit's murderer to go free but only after acquiring his pistol to plant on Oswald as the murder weapon.  Why they would do this is left unexplained.  They would then need to somehow manipulate all the documentation in the hands of external sources to link Oswald to the pistol.  They manage to somehow do all this within hours of his arrest.

This is a very good point. The DPD of all people would want to make sure they got the right person. They would not be framing an innocent person for Tippits death.

[Bill Chapman]

BILL CHAPMAN

[Dan O'meara]

BILL CHAPMAN

It makes sense Bill but Frazier is emphatic about the jacket.
Linnie is all "maybe" "I don't really know" I wasn't paying attention" sort of thing.
What you propose is the simplest and most efficient solution except for the insistence of Frazier who not only drove to work with him that morning but walked behind him as he tried to tuck his package under his arm.
McWatters and some kid whose name I forget have the man who is eventually ID'd as Oswald wearing a jacket as does Whaley,
Bledose ID's Oswald's shirt after the arrest.
And he may have taken it off by the time Roberts saw him as he was in full flight and looking for a quick change (perhaps)

I would like to go there for convenience's sake but my stupid brain won't allow it.
And just when I thought I was on to something  a lot of the witnesses seem to be describing a jacket darker than CE 162.

I'll be down this rabbit hole if you need me for anything

[Martin Weidmann]

Unreal.  You were given evidence.  The documentation posted confirms that a pistol with a specific serial number was sent to Oswald/Hidell.  That is the same pistol in his possession upon arrest.  I'm not sure how there could be much more evidence than the fact that the pistol sent to Oswald is the same one he has in his possession.  As usual, you just ignore the actual evidence and go down another pedantic rabbit hole suggesting any evidence of Oswald's guilt is the product of fakery.  Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.  And think of the narrative behind it.  The DPD would frame Oswald for a crime they know he did not commit.  They would allow Tippit's murderer to go free but only after acquiring his pistol to plant on Oswald as the murder weapon.  Why they would do this is left unexplained.  They would then need to somehow manipulate all the documentation in the hands of external sources to link Oswald to the pistol.  They manage to somehow do all this within hours of his arrest.

The documentation posted confirms that a pistol with a specific serial number was sent to Oswald/Hidell.

No it doesn't.

That is the same pistol in his possession upon arrest.

Just because Carroll (who did not see who was holding the revolver when he grabbed it) told Hill and Hill told everybody else that this was Oswald's revolver? Wow

I'm not sure how there could be much more evidence than the fact that the pistol sent to Oswald is the same one he has in his possession.

That's no big surprise, as you are usually clueless about just about everything.

As usual, you just ignore the actual evidence and go down another pedantic rabbit hole suggesting any evidence of Oswald's guilt is the product of fakery.

You constantly talk about the "actual evidence" yet you never provide it or point towards it. Why is that?

Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.

To support what claim?

The DPD would frame Oswald for a crime they know he did not commit.  They would allow Tippit's murderer to go free but only after acquiring his pistol to plant on Oswald as the murder weapon.  Why they would do this is left unexplained.  They would then need to somehow manipulate all the documentation in the hands of external sources to link Oswald to the pistol.  They manage to somehow do all this within hours of his arrest.

Who said anything about framing Oswald within hours of his arrest? Stop making things up, will ya?

[Martin Weidmann]

Mr Belin: Any jacket?
Mr Brewer: No.

If Roberts was mistaken about Oswald entering the house wearing only a shirt (as Dan O'meara suggests) then why can't Brewer be mistaken also?

[Martin Weidmann]

This is a very good point. The DPD of all people would want to make sure they got the right person. They would not be framing an innocent person for Tippits death.

No it's not a good point. It's a made up point. If innocent people were not being framed by cops and prosecutors, then why is Project Innocence getting so many people out of jail who were innocent and wrongly convicted?

Within hours after Oswald's arrest and before he was even charged with anything, and without having gathered or seen any evidence, Hoover decided that Oswald was the lone gunman. Go figure!