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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2536 on: June 18, 2021, 01:50:37 PM »
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Whaley ID'd Oswald.

Third from his (Whaley's) right;

second from his (Whaley's) left.

Was David Knapp.

Time to clarify, genius.

WHALEY: "The No. 3 man who I now know is Lee Harvey Oswald was the man who I carried from the Greyhound Bus Station"

Here, let me clarify that for you:


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« Reply #2537 on: June 19, 2021, 07:05:07 AM »
Counting from left or right?

Here's what you said June 5:

Close to two weeks now, Lee Harvey Oswald was not third from the right, genius.

Not according to his clarification on April 8, 1964.

#BUBBACABLE doesn't clarify anything.

Just one day later you posted this piece of incomprehensible babble:

Bonkers.

Teii us how your precious David Knapp became known to Whaley as Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2538 on: June 22, 2021, 07:14:12 AM »
More evidence that Callaway helped load the body into the ambulance BEFORE he got on the police radio to report the shooting...

And then I got out of the cab and run down there; the ambulance had already arrived by the time I got there, and they were in the process of picking the man up, and they had done had him, was putting him on the stretcher when I got there, and they put him in the ambulance and took him away, and there was someone that got on the radio at that time and they told him he was going to report it, so they told him to get off the air, that it had already been reported, and he picks up the officer's pistol that was laying on the ground, apparently fell out of his holster when he fell, and says, "Come on, let's go see if we can find him." -- William Scoggins

The police tapes also tell you that the body was loaded and the ambulance was leaving the scene as Callaway got on the police radio.

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« Reply #2539 on: June 23, 2021, 06:44:59 PM »
Scoggins' statement doesn't specify the order of those events.

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« Reply #2540 on: June 24, 2021, 04:45:45 AM »
Scoggins' statement doesn't specify the order of those events.

LOL  Yeah, Okay.  Keep telling yourself that.

If all else fails, you can always go check out the police tapes.  They'll tell you that the body was loaded BEFORE Callaway got on the radio and the ambulance was leaving as he was on the radio.
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« Reply #2541 on: June 24, 2021, 07:57:18 PM »
WHALEY: "The No. 3 man who I now know is Lee Harvey Oswald was the man who I carried from the Greyhound Bus Station"

Here, let me clarify that for you:


BILL CHAPMAN

Whoa!!....  Perhaps you'd better read Mr Whaley's   DESRIPTION of his passenger's clothing..... Wild Bill Whaley described BLUE colored Workman's type clothing....Lee Oswald was NOT wearing BLUE colored clothing.

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« Reply #2542 on: June 29, 2021, 05:34:05 PM »
LOL  Yeah, Okay.  Keep telling yourself that.

If all else fails, you can always go check out the police tapes.  They'll tell you that the body was loaded BEFORE Callaway got on the radio and the ambulance was leaving as he was on the radio.

The edited transcripts of the edited recordings don't say anything about a body being loaded into an ambulance or who helped.

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« Reply #2543 on: June 30, 2021, 11:09:43 PM »
The edited transcripts of the edited recordings don't say anything about a body being loaded into an ambulance or who helped.

Indeed. Let's have another look at the explanation Brown gave on May 12.

Wow.

All of that yada yada yada and you still don't know what you're talking about.

By the time Callaway testified in 1964, he was slightly off in the order of events, regarding loading the body into the ambulance and reporting the shooting to the police dispatcher.

All you really have to do is study the police tapes.

602 is the Kinsley/Butler ambulance.  As they pulled away from the scene with Tippit's body, they made an attempt to get hold of the police dispatcher to notify the dispatcher that they were en route to Methodist Hospital.

Murray Jackson (the dispatcher) didn't hear their attempt because at the same time, Callaway (after helping load the body into the ambulance) then went over to the patrol car radio, grabbed the mic and reported: "Hello, Hello, Hello.  This police officer's just shot.  I think he's dead."

Callaway was told by the dispatcher that  the police had the information and to remain off the air.

When Callaway (during his testimony) said "By this time, an ambulance was coming", he was correct.  Another ambulance (605) had been dispatched to the scene but the first ambulance (602) had already left for Methodist with the body.

I wouldn't really expect you to know any of this because (besides the sad reality that you're only interested in scoring points) it requires some work and maybe more importantly, an understanding of the big picture after having read EVERYTHING (as opposed to just Callaway's testimony).  But, you haven't read EVERYTHING, only what you feel works for you at the moment.

Get a clue.


http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/D%20Disk/Dallas%20Police%20Department/Dallas%20Police%20Department%20Records/Volume%2004/Item%2001.pdf

By the time Callaway testified in 1964, he was slightly off in the order of events, regarding loading the body into the ambulance and reporting the shooting to the police dispatcher.

Amazing, isn't it. For Brown to be correct the key witness must have been mistaken during his WC testimony;

Mr. CALLAWAY. I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I saw--I went on up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn't know whether anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them, and told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay off the air, so I went back.

By this time an ambulance was coming. The officer was laying on his left side, his pistol was underneath him. I kind of rolled him over and took his gun out from under him. The people wonder whether he ever got his pistol out of his holster. He did.


The foolish claim that Callaway was simply mistaken, when he testified, also ignores the fact that according to FBI SA Arthur E. Carter’s FD-302 report, Callaway said exactly the same thing to Carter on 25/2/64.

All you really have to do is study the police tapes.

As John already pointed out, the police tapes/transcripts tell us nothing about when Tippit was loaded in the ambulance.

Your so-called "fact" is nothing more than your mistaken interpretation of what you want to believe you are hearing.

In fact - and you already know this - in the 1964 article “the other witness” by George and Patrica Nash this explanation is given for what you are actually hearing on the police recordings;

“Since the location was just two short blocks away he told one of his own drivers, Clayton Butler, to respond. Butler and Eddie Kinsley ran down the steps, got into the ambulance and took off, siren screaming. Butler radioed his arrival at the scene at 1:18 p.m., within 60 seconds of leaving the funeral home. He remembers that there were at least 10 people standing around the man lying on the ground. It was not until he and his assistant pulled back a blanket covering Tippit that they realized the victim was a policeman.

Butler ran back to his radio to inform headquarters. The radio was busy and he could not cut in. He yelled “Mayday” to no avail, and went back to Tippit. The officer lay on his side, face down with part of his body under the left front fender of the police car. Butler and Kinsley rolled him over and saw the bullet wound through Tippit’s temple. Butler told us, “I thought he was dead then. It’s not my position to say so. We got him into the ambulance and we got going as quick as possible. On the way to the hospital I finally let them know it was a policeman.”

This coincides perfectly with the police transcripts which show us that the ambulance driver (602) tried in vain to make two calls to the DPD dispatcher. The first one just prior to Callaway coming on the air and the second one just after Callaway had called “Hello, hello, hello”

602 (ambulance)   602.       
Dispatcher   85.       
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)   85.       
Dispatcher   Suspect running west on Jefferson from the location.       
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)   10-4.       
Dispatcher   No physical description.       
Citizen   Hello, hello, hello.       
602 (ambulance)   602.       
Citizen   Pardon, from out here on Tenth Street, 500 block. This officer just shot. I think he's dead. 
Dispatcher   10-4. We have that information. The citizen using the radio: Remain off the radio now.

But what blows your so-called "fact" out of the water is the testimony of DPD officer Croy, who was the first police officer to arrive at the scene.

Croy testified that he watched Tippit being loaded in the ambulance.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What time were you at the scene where Tippit was killed
Mr. CROY. I watched them load him in the ambulance.


As Croy was in uniform, there would have been no reason for Callaway to call the police, as at least one officer was already at the scene.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Now, I am just referring to the street you found him on. When you got there, was Tippit's car there?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Tippit there?
Mr. CROY. They were loading him in the ambulance.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were other officers on the scene?
Mr. CROY. None that I saw.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do when you got there?
Mr. CROY. Got me a witness.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you get ahold of?
Mr. CROY. It was a woman standing across the street from me. I don't recall her name. She gave me her name at that time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did she tell you?
Mr. CROY. She told me that she saw Tippit get out of the car, and I don't recall, I think she said he stepped back a couple of foot and shot him and then ran. She was pretty hysterical at that particular time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did she tell you where she first saw Oswald?
Mr. CROY. I don't recall whether she did or not. There was, as I recall, there was 2 people who saw it. No; 3. A man in a, taxicab driver. However, she was the main eyewitness, as far as I could make out. She saw the actual shooting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you talk with her?
Mr. CROY. Oh, a good 5 or 10 minutes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any other officers there with you when you were talking with her?
Mr. CROY. Yes; and no. I talked to her, and then they talked to her, and then I talked to her, and just after I located a witness, the squad did get there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This conversation all took place near the scene of the Tippit killing?
Mr. CROY. Leaning up against his car.


Croy testifies that, when he arrived, he saw Tippit being loaded into the ambulance and the first thing he did was talk to a witness (most likely Markham) for "5 or 10 minutes" while he was leaning up against Tippit's car.

In other words, there is a uniformed police man standing directly next to Tippit's patrol car at the exact moment that Bill Brown wants you to believe Callaway called the DPD dispatcher from that same car.......

And then Brown tells others to "learn the case". Pathetic and hilarious at the same time!

Oh yeah, before I forget.... Remember the two minute gap in Callaway's time line which I described as a "coffee break" and which you tried (in vain) to explain by claiming that it was during this time that Callaway helped loading Tippit into the ambulance? Ambulance driver, Butler, is on record saying that from his departure at the funeral home to his arrival at the hospital it took less than four minutes....Are you really trying to convince anybody that Callaway would have taken two minutes to load Tippit into the ambulance? If you are, you must be further removed from reality than even I could imagine.

Having said all that, that's it. I have wasted enough time here...... no more.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2543 on: June 30, 2021, 11:09:43 PM »