Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[John Mytton]

Mr. BALL. On the day of the 22d of November, were you home around 1 o'clock?
Mrs. JOHNSON. It must have been 1:30 or 2, something like that.
Mr. BALL. When you came home?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; after serving lunch.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember about what time of the day they arrived?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it must have been around 1:30 or 2 o'clock--the best I remember.
Mr. BELIN. When did you get home that day from your work?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it was around 1 o'clock or maybe a little bit after.

Would have been stupid sending three of his men to Irving if he knew Oswald lived at Beckley.

 

"something like that" LOL

"the best I remember." LOL

Would have been stupid sending three of his men to Irving if he knew Oswald lived at Beckley.

 

Huh? Yeah that's real good detective work there Otto, no wonder you're a Noob! Hahahaha!

They checked ALL the home addresses associated with Oswald, to suggest otherwise is absurd.

Here's Oswald's not exactly truthful Job Application.



JohnM

[Jerry Freeman]

Yeah that's real good detective work there Otto, no wonder you're a Noob! Hahahaha!

Well that is one junior high school post if I ever saw one.
According to the owners of the Beckley house...the cops practically showed up there before Oswald was even arrested.

See this thread--- https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1490.msg39798.html#msg39798 ... O H Lee and the Beckley Rooming House

 

Oswald's not exactly truthful Job Application.

I notice that it looks like it is spelled 'Honourable Discharge'...the British spelling.
Is that not odd for a southern cracker like Oswald?
Oswald probably didn't even know the Beckley address..He just knew where it was. The application was made just the next day after acquiring the room.
Perhaps he felt that a more permanent mailing address and phone number would be sufficient.
I have never seen an employment application where they ask questions about your parents [like where do they work?]
There was another dependent on the way within the week...He could have been deceitful there and claimed three or even four dependents.
"Experienced with Ditto"? What does that even mean?
Probably a lot of people have tweaked their application for employment.

[Dan O'meara]

Mr. BALL. On the day of the 22d of November, were you home around 1 o'clock?
Mrs. JOHNSON. It must have been 1:30 or 2, something like that.
Mr. BALL. When you came home?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; after serving lunch.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember about what time of the day they arrived?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it must have been around 1:30 or 2 o'clock--the best I remember.
Mr. BELIN. When did you get home that day from your work?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it was around 1 o'clock or maybe a little bit after.

This is testimonial evidence that the Johnsons were home around 2:00PM.
Nothing about them agreeing the DP had arrived before Oswald gave out the address.

Would have been stupid sending three of his men to Irving if he knew Oswald lived at Beckley.

So he didn't know Oswald lived at Beckley when he sent the men out to Irving.

[Walt Cakebread]

It's your fantasy remember.

So, you've got Earlene Roberts, Gladys Johnson and her husband, A. C. Johnson all perjuring themselves, all part of this unnecessarily complex lie.
Who else is in on it?
Surely the officers who collected Oswald's belonging from his room?
They must be in on it as well, yeah?

Surely the officers who collected Oswald's belonging from his room?
They must be in on it as well, yeah?

Not all DPD officers were "in on it", but they all were members of "The thin blue line"...  And they knew that a fellow officer(JD Tippit) had been gunned down in cold blood, and the "brass" were saying that Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer..... 

[Dan O'meara]

Surely the officers who collected Oswald's belonging from his room?
They must be in on it as well, yeah?

Not all DPD officers were "in on it", but they all were members of "The thin blue line"...  And they knew that a fellow officer(JD Tippit) had been gunned down in cold blood, and the "brass" were saying that Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer.....

So, Oswald's possessions weren't really taken from Beckley?

[Walt Cakebread]

So, Oswald's possessions weren't really taken from Beckley?

Some of Lee's possessions were taken from his room at 1026 N. Beckley, but the majority of his possessions were taken from the Paine's residence.  The most important items that were taken for his Beckley room were the trousers and shirt that he had removed at 1:00pm ....The Shirt that Lee removed was a long sleeve reddish brown shirt with a BUTTON DOWN collar. and NO hole in the elbow.

[Dan O'meara]

They certainly are in agreement, Mr. Johnson leaning toward 1:30, so why are you telling they said "around 2:00PM."?

Correct, which is why he talked to Gerald Hill about picking up Oswald in Irving?

If Oswald volunteered anything it would have been 2:30pm at the earliest.

There's no reason to push the Johnsons estimate one minute beyond 2:00pm and Potts stated they (DP) arrived at 3:00, deal with it.

Okay Otto, I'll deal with it (whatever that means)


They certainly are in agreement, Mr. Johnson leaning toward 1:30, so why are you telling they said "around 2:00PM."?

Mr Johnson hears the news of JFK's death before coming home, and doesn't get home until about 10 minutes after the announcement, let's say about 1:50PM

At this time Potts is in the DPD taking affidavits off Dougherty and Arce who both recognise Oswald as he's brought in after his arrest.
Potts processes these two affidavits and at some point after that Bill Senkel arrives to tell him they're going out to 1026.
In Potts' account it doesn't seem like they have been at the house all that long before Oswald is recognised on the television. Oswald's image first flashes up on CBS around 3:34PM.

If Oswald volunteered anything it would have been 2:30pm at the earliest.


So let's say Oswald gives up the address around 2:30 - 2:40Pm
Fritz tells Senkel to take some men and check out the address.
Potts, Senkel and Cunningham arrive around 3:00PM
Oswald is recognised around 3:30PM
Senkel calls HQ to find out the search warrant is already en route.
This is because, around 3:00PM Buddy Walthers calls Decker with the number Ruth Paine gave him. Decker asks Allan Sweatt to check the address. At some point Sweatt reports back with the 1026 address at which point Decker gets on to Justice of the Peace Johnston for a search warrant, which he personally delivers to the Beckley address.


A couple of problems with the notion of the DP being at the house around 2:00PM.
Firstly, what were Potts and co. doing for the hour and a half before Oswald was recognised on the TV?
Secondly, if the Johnsons are part of some elaborate hoax, why are they saying the DP arrived so early, thereby ruining the elaborate hoax?

[Richard Smith]

Why would any conspirator be in a rush to have Oswald's boardinghouse searched when he was already in custody and there was nothing incriminating to be found there?  Like the bus to nowhere and alleged phone/power outage, this seems to advance no objective from a conspiracy perspective.  And if there is no allegation of this occurring as a result of a conspiracy (or proof of such) to frame Oswald but just a because someone "wants to know," then why does it really matter?