Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, looks like one carbon copy, (CC) went to the Office of Naval Intelligence, per what I see on the last line of the document. Unusual Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.
BB

 Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.

Making a statement like this indicates that Lee Oswald was a suspect long before the coup d e'tat.

I believe Hoover was in the dark, and didn't know that Lee Oswald was one of the false defectors who went to Russia as agents of the US.   Hoover was merely phising.....

Many of the most successful spies in history are looked upon as suspected agents for a foreign power by organizations that are not privy to the secret.

Lee Was sent to Russia by a US government organization.....  Hoover wasn't informed.

[Bruce Backlund]

Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.

Making a statement like this indicates that Lee Oswald was a suspect long before the coup d e'tat.

I believe Hoover was in the dark, and didn't know that Lee Oswald was one of the false defectors who went to Russia as agents of the US.   Hoover was merely phising.....

Many of the most successful spies in history are looked upon as suspected agents for a foreign power by organizations that are not privy to the secret.

Lee Was sent to Russia by a US government organization.....  Hoover wasn't informed.

Your correct Walt. Hoover would not be informed! Unusual, a memo concerning Oswald however, issued personally by the Director himself, over what appears a minor matter. Perhaps it was as you said, "a fishing" expedition. I do find the whole matter suspicious, however, as I have always wondered about an "Oswald double."
BB

[Walt Cakebread]

11/23/63
Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI. Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation.
No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we know what they receive... The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this man who was at the... Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything, but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

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J. Edgar Hoover: I just wanted to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case - this man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they have at the present time is not very, very strong. We have just discovered the place where the gun was purchased and the shipment of the gun from Chicago to Dallas, to a post office box in Dallas, to a man - no, to a woman by the name of "A. Hidell."... We had it flown up last night, and our laboratory here is making an examination of it.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Yes, I told the Secret Service to see that that got taken care of.

J. Edgar Hoover: That's right. We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one full bullet that was found. That was on the stretcher that the President was on. It apparently had fallen out when they massaged his heart, and we have that one. We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification. As soon as we finish the testing of the gun for fingerprints ... we will then be able to test the one bullet we have with the gun. But the important thing is that this gun was bought in Chicago on a money order. Cost twenty-one dollars, and it seems almost impossible to think that for twenty-one dollars you could kill the President of the United States.

Hear yee ...Hear Yee....  Listen up you Lone Nuts who argue that the bullet fragments ( slivers) could be traced to the Carcano.   

Your hero, J Edna Hoover said :.....We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification.

[Walt Cakebread]

Your correct Walt. Hoover would not be informed! Unusual, a memo concerning Oswald however, issued personally by the Director himself, over what appears a minor matter. Perhaps it was as you said, "a fishing" expedition. I do find the whole matter suspicious, however, as I have always wondered about an "Oswald double."
BB

Are you aware that Mama Oswald created a "scene" that caused governments of at least two countries to focus on Lee Oswald?

Marguerite Oswald had not heard from Lee in months, and she became worried about her boy ( who she suspected had been sent to Russia by the US government) When JFK was inaugurated in January of 1961 Marguerite took a train to Washington in hope that she could talk to JFK about the disappearance of her son behind the "Iron Curtain".   

Marguerite did not get to talk to JFK but she did talk to one of JFK's aids...who took mama Oswald's plight to JFK.    JFK ordered an investigation to see what had happened to this Oswald kid...and that's when he learned that Lee Oswald was actually a spy for the US government.   JFK was astounded, and fascinated, that someone so young would have the guts to accept such a dangerous mission and  He ordered the US State department to work at bringing Lee Oswald  back to the US.

[John Iacoletti]

Are you aware that Mama Oswald created a "scene" that caused governments of at least two countries to focus on Lee Oswald?

Marguerite Oswald had not heard from Lee in months, and she became worried about her boy ( who she suspected had been sent to Russia by the US government) When JFK was inaugurated in January of 1961 Marguerite took a train to Washington in hope that she could talk to JFK about the disappearance of her son behind the "Iron Curtain".   

Marguerite did not get to talk to JFK but she did talk to one of JFK's aids...who took mama Oswald's plight to JFK.    JFK ordered an investigation to see what had happened to this Oswald kid...and that's when he learned that Lee Oswald was actually a spy for the US government.   JFK was astounded, and fascinated, that someone so young would have the guts to accept such a dangerous mission and  He ordered the US State department to work at bringing Lee Oswald  back to the US.

Cool story, bro.

[Jake Maxwell]

"The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election."

How does that sound?
Any government official discovered making such a statement today would probably be fired on the spot and under close government investigation.

Why is it that reading Hoover's memo decades later - a memo that states our top law official's effort to destroy a person's life and family name without full investigation (only 2 days after the assassination) - doesn't bring down the wrath on Hoover and Katzenbach that they deserve?






 

[Patrick Jackson]

J. Edgar Hoover's recently released memo below - only two days after the assassination, Nov. 24, 1963 - shows a rush to judgment regarding Oswald - and quite possibly a rush to cover-up...

Shouldn't this be considered the most relevant piece of evidence for a conspiracy?

"The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."

Is there a record of when this memo was done, before or after Oswald was murdered?

[Richard Smith]

"The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election."

How does that sound?
Any government official discovered making such a statement today would probably be fired on the spot and under close government investigation.

Why is it that reading Hoover's memo decades later - a memo that states our top law official's effort to destroy a person's life and family name without full investigation (only 2 days after the assassination) - doesn't bring down the wrath on Hoover and Katzenbach that they deserve?

Government officials were rightly concerned that they might be pressured into WWIII if the public were erroneously led to believe that Oswald was involved with the Cubans or Russians.  They had a legitimate, non-conspiratorial motive to convince the public of Oswald's guilt.  First, because the evidence proved Oswald was guilty beyond any doubt.  Second, because there was no reason to believe then or over 50 years later that the Russians, Cubans or anyone other than Oswald was responsible.   Because of Oswald's nutty political background, Hoover and others understood there was a very real possibility that some would try to use that to convince the public of the involvement of the Commies.   And the United States could have been drawn into a war on the basis of a falsehood.