The Truly Magical Bullet

[Howard Gee]

Yes Joe, obviously asphalt would cause fragmentation.

Just a reminder though...this thread was posted to give the drooling kooks that insist the throat wound was frontal entry an opportunity to explain what happened to the bullet that supposedly entered JFK's throat.

As you can see, the kooks have no answer.

When the drooling kooks get cornered and exposed for what they are, all they can do is try to divert attention from the fact that they have no answer.

Rather than admit they're unable to answer a simple question which demolishes their frontal entry fantasy, they divert by asking 'what happened to the missed shot ?'.

That's not going to work.

Challenge still stands, droolers....

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BULLET THAT ENTERED JFK'S THROAT ?

[Mike Orr]

What made CE 399 a Truly Magical Bullet was the fact that it did not traverse the body of JFK . Jerry Ford could have moved that back entrance to wherever he wanted to move it and so he put it at the base of the neck but the path of that entry wound only went down to the knuckle of Humes little finger and the path downward was at what Humes said was a 45 to 60 degree angle downward. I used to think Jerry Ford was a good man until he moved that back wound on JFK and made it a base of the neck wound and  of course when he pardoned Richard Nixon . I know , that's another story

[Jerry Freeman]

The room in which they worked was crowded with a variety of non?medical onlookers, several of whom were giving orders to the pathologists.
The written records from the autopsy are incomplete, and perhaps corrupt. The original autopsy report was deliberately destroyed by Dr James Humes, the senior pathologist, after the murder of Lee Oswald. The rewritten autopsy report includes measurements and other data that do not exist in the pathologists? surviving notes and diagrams.
The photographic record is incomplete. The pathologists and photographers recalled ordering and taking photographs which appear no longer to exist.

http://22november1963.org.uk/pierre-finck-jfk-back-throat-wounds

Various descriptions of the small hole in the President's throat were given at Parkland Hospital by the doctors who saw it before a tracheotomy incision erased its outline. . . . [A]ll seemed to agree on the size of the hole.  It was small ? so small, in fact, that one doctor believed it was too small to be even the entry hole of a high velocity bullet (6H56). Dr. Perry described it over the phone to Commander Humes as between 3 and 5 millimeters in diameter (17H29). This is half the diameter of an ordinary pencil, much too small to be he exit wound of a transiting bullet.

It was a cover-up.
So if somebody [lone gunman parrots] wants to know what happened to a bullet...they might as well look where the sun doesn't shine.

[Howard Gee]

Nothing magical about 399.

Re-enactments of the assassination duplicating the same positioning, distances, and using the same ammo and anatomically correct forensic 'dummies' have demonstrated the viability of the SBT.

It's just the drooling kook 'dummies' that deny this.

What is magical is the fantasy frontal entry bullet that supposedly caused JFK's throat wound that vanished into thin air.

C'mon droolers, where did the bullet go ?

[Andrew Mason]

Actually, it wouldn?t have to hit concrete to fragment. Asphalt will cause the bullet to fragment as well. The following video shows what would happen:

Interesting video. Thanks for posting. A few comments:

1. the shot through the branches is well done. If there was any doubt before, this makes it clear that tree branches do not cause jacketed bullets to deflect or even deform, let alone lose their jacket. Someone should show this to Gerald Posner who not only thinks that the oak tree deflected it over to the curb near Tague and also deformed it, causing it to lose its jacket.

2.  The asphalt test shows a noticeable plume of debris in an area where there quite a few people. It is difficult to imagine no one around noticing it and even more difficult to imagine that no one ever found the divot.

3. I would be surprised if the bullet jacket completely disintegrated.  The jacket has a much higher melting point (1085 Celsius as opposed to 327C for lead).   The bullet compression results in molten lead that explodes into a spray of tiny droplets in all directions that essentially disappear. But there should be large jacket pieces around.  I would like to see the slow motion version of the film.

[Joe Elliott]

What made CE 399 a Truly Magical Bullet was the fact that it did not traverse the body of JFK . Jerry Ford could have moved that back entrance to wherever he wanted to move it and so he put it at the base of the neck but the path of that entry wound only went down to the knuckle of Humes little finger and the path downward was at what Humes said was a 45 to 60 degree angle downward. I used to think Jerry Ford was a good man until he moved that back wound on JFK and made it a base of the neck wound and  of course when he pardoned Richard Nixon . I know , that's another story

Questions:

1.   How do you explain the coincidence of two bullets, one from the front and one from the back, that just happen to hit on opposite sides of the neck?

2.   How do you explain a shooter using a bullet that only penetrates an inch or two?

3.   How do you explain Dr. Humes not being able to feel a bullet that only penetrates an inch or two?




A bullet that only penetrates an inch or two implies a low velocity bullet, that is inherently inaccurate against a moving target and not as lethal as a regular bullet. It is not a plausible scenario.

What?s a better explanation? Medical experts are unanimous that you cannot reliably probe a wound, hours after rigor mortis has set in, with a finger. Not even a little finger. The autopsy doctors did not have access to the proper tools and did the best they could in the amount of time they allocated for themselves. They could have, and arguably should have, forced Mrs. Kennedy to wait a few more hours, after a very long and terrible day, and dissect the wound path, but they did not do that.

So, the best explanation is that, this was not really a short one or two, inch wound path but a much longer one, and the wound path probably terminated with the throat wound that just happened to be on the other side of the neck.

[Joe Elliott]

Interesting video. Thanks for posting. A few comments:

1. the shot through the branches is well done. If there was any doubt before, this makes it clear that tree branches do not cause jacketed bullets to deflect or even deform, let alone lose their jacket. Someone should show this to Gerald Posner who not only thinks that the oak tree deflected it over to the curb near Tague and also deformed it, causing it to lose its jacket.

Gerald Posner?s theory of a tree deflected bullet has not been a popular theory among LNers for many years. I don?t know if half the LNers ever supported it.

Of course, Gerald Posner was not a ballistic expert and did not perform any scientific experiments like Luke and Michael Haag have done.

2.  The asphalt test shows a noticeable plume of debris in an area where there quite a few people. It is difficult to imagine no one around noticing it and even more difficult to imagine that no one ever found the divot.

Even with almost all eyes on the President and Jackie? Even so, I recall there were a few witnesses who reported dust being kicked up off the street.

3. I would be surprised if the bullet jacket completely disintegrated.  The jacket has a much higher melting point (1085 Celsius as opposed to 327C for lead).   The bullet compression results in molten lead that explodes into a spray of tiny droplets in all directions that essentially disappear. But there should be large jacket pieces around.  I would like to see the slow motion version of the film.

I don?t think the bullet melts. It is just torn apart into small pieces. The lead and the copper jacket both. I never read anything in Larry Sturdivan?s book that describes bullets fragmenting due to partial or total melting.

The Haags searched for the bullet and/or large fragments, and found none.


Is there anything in the literature by a ballistic expert about bullets melting, partially or fully, as a result of striking rock or asphalt? Or any target?

[Joe Elliott]

Yes Joe, obviously asphalt would cause fragmentation.

Just a reminder though...this thread was posted to give the drooling kooks that insist the throat wound was frontal entry an opportunity to explain what happened to the bullet that supposedly entered JFK's throat.

As you can see, the kooks have no answer.

When the drooling kooks get cornered and exposed for what they are, all they can do is try to divert attention from the fact that they have no answer.

I don?t know about drooling, but they have provided no answers.

How just a big coincidence happened that two bullets would just happen to strike on opposite sides of the neck?

What happened to the bullets that stayed in the body? Easy. The autopsy doctors were forced to hide the truth, the obvious answer to anyone who believes in Large Secret Enduring Conspiracies. There might have been two bullets and a monkey wrench found in the neck and we never would have heard about it.

Why would the shooters be using inherently inaccurate, less lethal special bullets that only penetrate an inch or two? No answer.