Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"

[Steve Howsley]

We do know some of what he was doing but details are thin on the ground

So now it's only some of the time?

which is in itself an indication that he wasn't up to much at all.

Really? How do you figure, when you don't know what he was doing all of the time? Do you often jump to conclusions for which there is no factual evidence?

Despite 55 years of inquiries by hundreds of people there is no proof of Oswald being a key player in any organised group.


Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence

He even had to make up his own group with a membership of one.

So we are told? but, even if true, what does that actually prove?

I guess when it came time to pay his membership dues he'd take a dollar from the right pocket of his trousers and slip it into the left pocket. He was a legend in his own lunchtime but a nobody to most people.


Something else you've just been told and want to believe, right?

Martin, It all leads to Oswald acting alone. I don't know what part if any you think Oswald played in a conspiracy but I haven't seen credible evidence that he was in cahoots with anyone. People build their conspiracy sand castles each day but when the tide comes in it's all washed away. If anyone has rock solid evidence that Oswald is either innocent or that he was a key player in a grand conspiracy then I'm yet to see it. After 55 years I'm as close to certain that such evidence won't be forthcoming as it simply doesn't exist.

I started out many years ago as someone who loved a good conspiracy but before I was 'sold' I insisted on seeing the 'evidence' stack up. The more I read about the assassination the more (much to my initial disappointment!) I was swayed by the LN evidence. It's not as exciting as a conspiracy theorist's fantasies must be but I much prefer to live in the real world.

I don't expect anyone to be persuaded by the above. I don't care either. It's simply an honest statement on what I know to be true.

[Ray Mitcham]

Didn't the woman at the front desk at FBI/Dallas say something about that. I recall some sort of controversy about what Oswald actually said to her. Maybe it's not confirmed about any bomb. But even Bugs said he wrote the book as if he were in court,acting as prosecuting counsel so can anyone blame him for the shotgun approach; just throw everything including speculation at the jury and see what sticks. In the so called 'shotgun fallacy' the ideal situation is to fire all barrels (no matter how silly some things seem to some people), with the goal of getting people to start to think that there's so much to it that it must be true.

Someone once said that trials are not about the truth. They are about who wins the argument.

Fixed it for you in red. Chappers.

[John Mytton]

22. Moreover, if Oswald were about to murder the president in two or so weeks, would he do anything at all that had the potential of drawing anyone?s attention to him, particularly the attention of the FBI?
RHVB



JohnM

[Ray Mitcham]

22. Moreover, if Oswald were about to murder the president in two or so weeks, would he do anything at all that had the potential of drawing anyone?s attention to him, particularly the attention of the FBI?
RHVB
 

JohnM

Precisely, if he were about to do that terrible deed, why would he draw attention to himself. Shows that it probably wasn't him. Seems RHVB is trying to prove it wasn't Oz.

[Bill Chapman]

Precisely, if he were about to do that terrible deed, why would he draw attention to himself. Shows that it probably wasn't him. Seems RHVB is trying to prove it wasn't Oz.

Tell us who Bug thought was the assassin.

Seems RHVB is presenting a reasoned argument that Oswald had no help and had no plans to shoot Kennedy even as late as a week or two before the assassination.

[Ray Mitcham]

Tell us who Bug thought was the assassin.

Seems RHVB is presenting a reasoned argument that Oswald had no help and had no plans to shoot Kennedy even as late as a week or two before the assassination.

I'm not interested in who The Bug believed was the assassin, although that seems pretty obvious. Lots of people disagree that he is printing a reasoned argument. It is just his opinion as a prosecutor.

[Bill Chapman]

I'm not interested in who The Bug believed was the assassin, although that seems pretty obvious. Lots of people disagree that he is printing a reasoned argument. It is just his opinion as a prosecutor.

Of course it was Oswald in Bug's legal crosshairs. But you claimed Bug was seemingly making Oswald look innocent in the Bug #22 JohnM posted. On the contrary he made Oswald look like he had nothing planned out regarding Kennedy as late as the FBI/Dallas incident just 1-2 weeks before the assassination.

So it seems you do care about Bug's opinions. Opinions based on sound reasoning by the way, as Bug made the very reasonable argument that no one with any intention of assassinating the POTUS (who was scheduled to arrive in Dallas shortly) would march into FBI/Dallas headquarters making threats against an FBI agent, opening the possibility up of getting himself arrested.

[John Mytton]

23. On October 4, 1963, Oswald applied for a job as a ?typesetter trainee? at the Padgett Printing Company in Dallas and was turned down because (the bottom of the application reads) ?Bob Stovall [the president of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall, where Oswald previously worked] does not recommend this man. He was released [there] because of his record as a troublemaker.? Stovall also informed Padgett that Oswald had ?communistic tendencies.?59       

If Oswald was the scheduled hit man in a conspiracy to murder Kennedy, why would those behind him (CIA, mob, FBI, etc.) have him apply for a job just seven weeks before the assassination that wasn?t on the presidential motorcade route and would never be? Padgett Printing is located today where it was back in 1963, at 1313 North Industrial Boulevard in Dallas, a boulevard of light industry and no tall office buildings, where large crowds of people would be nonexistent. After the presidential limousine was scheduled to get off Elm Street onto the Stemmons Freeway en route to the Trade Mart, North Industrial Boulevard, to the west of the freeway, would be running roughly parallel to it, including the location at 1313 North Industrial Boulevard. However, per Dave Torok, president of Padgett Printing, the company?s building has always been only one story, and the Stemmons Freeway, he said, ?is a good half mile away, and you can?t see it from our building, even from the roof.?60       

The point, of course, is that if Padgett Printing Company had hired Oswald on October 4, Kennedy would not have been a target for Oswald to shoot and kill on November 22. And if Oswald were scheduled to be the hit man for the conspiracy to murder Kennedy, why would his employers (CIA, mob, etc.) have him apply for a job that, if he were hired, would eliminate him as their chosen assassin?       

But there?s more bad news for the poor, hapless conspiracy theorists, who would gladly settle for anything real, no matter how small, to keep their hopes alive, instead of getting hit with one haymaker after another to their dreams. On October 8, the Texas Employment Commission (TEC) sent Oswald out for a job interview at the Solid State Electronics Company of Texas. He didn?t get the job because the company was looking for a sales clerk, and he had no experience that qualified him for that position. ?I sure would like to have the job,? he told James Hunter of Solid State, who interviewed him. ?Every place I go they want experience.?61 And again, the problem for the theorists is that Solid State was located at 2647 Myrtle Springs in Dallas, out beyond Parkland Hospital and nowhere near the motorcade route The next day, October 9, the TEC sent Oswald to the Burton-Dixie Corporation for a job as a clerk trainee. Emmett Hobson at Burton-Dixie knows that the company didn?t hire Oswald, but told the FBI he didn?t recall why, and could not recall the background information Oswald had given him. Burton-Dixie was located at 817 Corinth in Dallas, an industrial area near Oak Cliff, which again, unfortunately for the buffs, was nowhere near the motorcade route.62       

On October 14, Oswald applied for a job at the Wiener Lumber Company in Dallas. The proprietor, Sam Wiener, was impressed with Oswald as a prospective employee until Oswald was asked to show his Honorable Discharge Card, which Oswald, of course, was unable to do. In the ?Remarks? section of Oswald?s application, Wiener typed, ?Although this man makes an excellent appearance and seems quite intelligent he seemed unable to understand when I continually and clearly asked him for his honorable discharge card or papers for the latest (just ended) hitch. I believe he does not have [it] and will not get such a card or paper. Do not consider for this reason only.?       

The lumber company was at the corner of Inwood Road and Maple Avenue, near Love Field, so was close to the motorcade route, but again, not on it. The closest that the president?s motorcade came to this location was at the intersection of Lemmon Avenue and Inwood Road, a little more than three-quarters of a mile from Wiener Lumber.63       

Again, the fact, alone, that Oswald was applying for jobs up through October 14 at locations not on the motorcade route virtually precludes the notion of conspiracy among rational people.
RHVB





JohnM