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Online Mitch Todd

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #160 on: July 06, 2018, 11:58:10 PM »
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Let's add the caveat the WC asks him nothing about identifying the rifle

That still leaves his Sheriff's department report and the 11/23 FBI interview. No sign of a rifle in either.

He doesn't seem to mention a rifle until after the start of the Garrison mess.  Even then, there's no claim that Craig himself saw it was a Mauser. That was still years away.

See also the Tatro excerpt I posted earlier.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #161 on: July 07, 2018, 12:42:05 AM »
Thanx Walt - but my problem is with this
this is NOT little more than a glimpse

Nov 23 1963
Weitzman FBI Report
Mr. Weitzman described the rifle was found as a 7.65 caliber Mauser action rifle, loads from a five shot clip is locked on the underside of the receiver forward of the trigger guard.
The metal parts of this rifle were of a gun metal color, gray or blue and the rear portion of the bolt was visibly worn.
The wooden portions of this rifle were a dark brown in color and of rough wood apparently having been used or damaged to a considerable extent.
The rifle was equipped with a four power 18 scope of apparent Japanese manufacture. It's also equipped with a thick brown- black leather bandolier type sling

five shot clip
locked on the underside of trigger guard
dark brown in color and of rough wood
rear portion of the bold visibly worn
wooden portions damaged to a considerable extent
four power 18 scope Japanese make
brown-black leather bandolier type strap

 ::) I don't think I could remember all those things on way back; even as a young man
...but if the first affidavit I write is on the 23rd, I'm gonna call over to Day and confirm the caliber

Let's break this down.

"loads from a five shot clip is locked on the underside of the receiver forward of the trigger guard. "

This sounds like the single-stack magazine of the Argentine M1891 7.65 Mauser. All subsequent Mausers use a double-stack magazine that doesn't stick out in front of the trigger guard. As I've already mentioned, A lot of these were being imported at the time. Also, the Carcano used a single-stack magazine, which also stuck out in front of the trigger guard. Someone with passing familiarity with the '91 Mauser but not with Carcano's could easily see the magazine housing of a Carcano and mistake it for a Mauser. It's not exactly a subtle feature of either weapon.

"dark brown in color and of rough wood"

Trivially noticeable even at a quick look. And, exactly how many rifles don't have dark brown stocks?


"rear portion of the bol[t] visibly worn"

That is, the bluing/finish given to the metal had worn away. Also trivially noticeable at a quick look.


"wooden portions damaged to a considerable extent"

See "dark brown in color and of rough wood"


"brown-black leather bandolier type strap"

How hard is is to tell if something is leather? And if it's "brown-black," is it brown or black? "Brown-black" doesn't sound too specific.


"four power 18 scope Japanese make"

Now, we're getting somewhere! That's really specific. And there's a reason it is specific.



Those white letters stand right out, don't they? I'll bet you saw them, and read them right away. Now, tell me where the stampings identifying the rifle are in the photo. I'll bet you can't. Much of that is due to the scope being in the way, some other due to the ID card in the foreground. The rest is because the stampings don't have the benefit of bright white paint.










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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #162 on: July 07, 2018, 05:31:22 AM »
 Why couldn't Fritz simply show those who thought the rifle was a Mauser the stamp of Made in Italy 6.5?

 I lost track of it but somewhere on this thread, Rob Caprio mentioned a report from a FOIA document that individuals with rifles were seen practicing by DPD a day or two before the 22nd on the grassy knoll It seemed to get bypassed
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #163 on: July 07, 2018, 06:20:46 AM »
Keep in mind, there is NO evidence to support Caster's claim that he took home the Mauser on November 20.

Is there any evidence to support the claim that Caster didn't take home the Mauser on November 20th?

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #164 on: July 07, 2018, 06:45:59 AM »
Why couldn't Fritz simply show those who thought the rifle was a Mauser the stamp of Made in Italy 6.5?

 I lost track of it but somewhere on this thread, Rob Caprio mentioned a report from a FOIA document that individuals with rifles were seen practicing by DPD a day or two before the 22nd on the grassy knoll It seemed to get bypassed

I think you mean these:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62262&relPageId=83
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57741&relPageId=113

I give Jean Davidson credit for finding those.

One of them puts the incident on Continental, but that's about 1/3 mile north of Elm, assuming that you're talking about Continental and Houston. More likely, it would have been in the industrial area West of 35E, if not in the Trinity riverbottom, either of which would be further away. In those days, a lot of people used the TRB as a makeshift firing range, and several active ranges are still in the TRB.

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2018, 08:36:33 AM »
Is there any evidence to support the claim that Caster didn't take home the Mauser on November 20th?

  Instead of claiming the burden of proof is on Caster and those who contend the story is not problematic lets call it the burden of suspicion lies in the fact it was there

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #166 on: July 07, 2018, 03:45:11 PM »
So, the FBI reported that the Dallas Police sighted on November 20th two unknown men sighting in a rifle near where the president would later be assassinated, firing at two silhouette targets. The police circled and the men disappeared.

I wonder what time they were sighted...
I don't recall, was it mentioned that the Mauser that Warren Caster bought on November 20th had a scope on it...?

 
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #167 on: July 07, 2018, 05:31:11 PM »
I think you mean these:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62262&relPageId=83



One of them puts the incident on Continental,

 Where does this document ,mention Continental or any streets?

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