What happened to the Mauser?

[Walt Cakebread]

Geez Walt, you ought to retire from this stuff. What Alyea described was not accurate.  Alyea recalled a number of things that were just not so.

I understand that you don't want to acknowledge that Tom Alyea reported what he saw....  And who are you to deny that he saw chicken bones on the fifth floor...  There very well could have been chicken bones on any floor and in any number of places where a person might eat a snack or his lunch...But even Day himself acknowledged that Tom Alyea  watched him as he examined the rifle .....and filmed the rifle in place.

And as proof we have some of Alyea's film which does in fact prove to anybody who isn't suffering from cranial rectalitis that Alyea reported what he saw....And he swore that he saw Detective Day use cellophane tape on that rifle while examining it in the TSBD.

[Tim Nickerson]

I understand that you don't want to acknowledge that Tom Alyea reported what he saw....  And who are you to deny that he saw chicken bones on the fifth floor...  There very well could have been chicken bones on any floor and in any number of places where a person might eat a snack or his lunch...But even Day himself acknowledged that Tom Alyea  watched him as he examined the rifle .....and filmed the rifle in place.

And as proof we have some of Alyea's film which does in fact prove to anybody who isn't suffering from cranial rectalitis that Alyea reported what he saw....And he swore that he saw Detective Day use cellophane tape on that rifle while examining it in the TSBD.

He didn't just say that he saw chicken bones on the fifth floor. He said that the sack containing those chicken bones and the Dr. Pepper bottle, that he filmed Studebaker dusting for prints, were on the fifth floor and that there were no chicken bones at all on the sixth floor.

Alyea's film footage doesn't prove what you think it proves.

[Walt Cakebread]

He didn't just say that he saw chicken bones on the fifth floor. He said that the sack containing those chicken bones and the Dr. Pepper bottle, that he filmed Studebaker dusting for prints, were on the fifth floor and that there were no chicken bones at all on the sixth floor.

Alyea's film footage doesn't prove what you think it proves.

The chicken stuff that was in the Smoker's Nook behind the SE corner window on the sixth floor  apparently was moved around a bit before it was gathered up to be taken to the DPD crime lab.  Perhaps it had been removed or moved to a different location and it wasn't there when Alyea saw the Smoker's nook....   Neither you nor I can know the exact details.... 

And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......

That rifle was NOT jammed between boxes of books when Day picked it up by the leather sling that was right there at his finger tips...

[Royell Storing]

The chicken stuff that was in the Smoker's Nook behind the SE corner window on the sixth floor  apparently was moved around a bit before it was gathered up to be taken to the DPD crime lab.  Perhaps it had been removed or moved to a different location and it wasn't there when Alyea saw the Smoker's nook....   Neither you nor I can know the exact details.... 

And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......

That rifle was NOT jammed between boxes of books when Day picked it up by the leather sling that was right there at his finger tips...

   That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano. The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.

[Steve Logan]

The chicken stuff that was in the Smoker's Nook behind the SE corner window on the sixth floor  apparently was moved around a bit before it was gathered up to be taken to the DPD crime lab.  Perhaps it had been removed or moved to a different location and it wasn't there when Alyea saw the Smoker's nook....   Neither you nor I can know the exact details.... 

And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......

That rifle was NOT jammed between boxes of books when Day picked it up by the leather sling that was right there at his finger tips...

"And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......"

No it doesn't . You're lying again.

[Royell Storing]

"And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......"

No it doesn't . You're lying again.

    The Alyea footage Clearly shows NO CLIP extending/hanging out of the underside of the rifle. Lt Day and Fritz spun that rifle around as it was dusted for prints. They even jerked around on it as they ejected a live round from the chamber. Still NO CLIP visible. Yet, when Lt. Day parades out of the TSBD "POOF". We Suddenly have images showing a CLIP dangling from the underside of the Carcano. Definitely David Copperfield worthy work being employed that day.

[Walt Cakebread]

   That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano. The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.

That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano.

The Carcano was discovered at 1:22 PM....Day was photographed leaving the TSBD with the Carcano at about 2:10  PM and he was at police headquarters with the rifle before 3:00 PM... 

When would a "staged Retrieval" have taken place??   

 The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.

But Alyea's footage DOES in fact show the clip in the magazine...  It's not hanging out of the magazine as it is seen in the photos of Day carrying the Carcano out of the TSBD, but it was in the magazine at the time that Alyea filmed  Detective Day dusting the rifle for prints behind the brightly lit west window of the TSBD...

That clip was not jammed or stuck or hung up in the magazine... I was freely sliding around in the mag as the rifle was handled...and by the time Day left the TSBD with the rifle it had worked it's way out to the point it was nearly ready to drop free of magazine.

[Walt Cakebread]

"And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......"

No it doesn't . You're lying again.

Please take a look ...see for yourself....   That's why you were given the gift of sight.... Watch closely starting at the 0:33 point and through the 0:35 point....