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Offline Jim Brazell

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2018, 05:49:54 AM »
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Noted in an earlier post...Roger Craig was not the only one that mentioned a Mauser rifle.
 From the preceding post---
How could Craig's daughter know that he was "unstable from childhood"?
She couldn't have known him then ::)
Quite odd. With the tone of that above statement..who actually was the unstable one?
Until the assassination deal...he was an accredited law enforcement officer.
 
I doubt that she genuinely knew very many researchers.

Roger Craig was named Man Of The Year by the Sheriff's office in 1960. Craig NEVER recanted his testimony about the 7.65 Mauser being stamped "right on the barrel". As a newbie here, I notice that the LNs here constantly divert on every subject ? Why ? Their case will not hold water.So, let's not get diverted...the question is not so much can you believe Craig(I do) and is he lying but rather can you believe the CIA ? Are they lying ? I put in my video above (see from 12:00 to 14:00) the CIA Memorandum about the gun being a 7.35 Mauser(25th) and the statement that the press reports of the gun being a Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 "IS IN ERROR".

Here is the thing...LNs use the Government (CIA in this case,FBI, SS,DPD etc)...the very rogue element used to not only do the crime but cover it up. Then when you quote their sources, they jump to Roger Craig's credibility. The question here is the CIA's credibility. In the overall argument of the JFK assassination,one only need prove that there was more than one planner or shooter or a financier, more than 3 bullets(counting the Tague bullet) which is 
is unbelievably easy. The Katzenbach memo stating that the public needs to be convinced that Oswald did it and that he acted alone should have been plenty enough to cause a red flag. Further, Jack Ruby stating that if Adlai Stevenson was still in office, our beloved President Kennedy would never have been assassinated. When asked to elaborate, he states simply "The answer is the man in office now" (LBJ). In summary, there are lies and there are damn lies.     
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
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Offline Mitch Todd

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2018, 06:27:54 AM »
Roger Craig was named Man Of The Year by the Sheriff's office in 1960.

IIRC, that was awarded by a police booster organization, the Dallas Traffic Commission, not the Sherriff's Dept. And it was for his work on a single case.


Craig NEVER recanted his testimony about the 7.65 Mauser being stamped "right on the barrel".

Whaddaya mean??? He didn't start saying that until 1973. He didn't even see fit to include it in his 1971 monograph, "When They Kill a President." In '68, he told one LA alternaweekly that the 6th floor rifle was a Carcano, but the Mauser was found on the roof.




Offline Denis Morissette

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2018, 07:15:51 AM »
People have been discussed this on the web for 2 decades. The issue was resolved more than 50 years ago!

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Offline Jim Brazell

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2018, 07:38:29 AM »
And from the biography it states " Craig worked for the Purex Corporation before joining the Dallas Police Department in 1959. He was named Man of the Year by the sheriff's office in 1960 for his work in aid in helping to capture an international jewel chief. He had a successful career in the DPD and was promoted four times". 

Lastly, Alyea film :


Who thinks this gun at the beginning  looks like the scoped Mannlicher-Carcano with sling that is held up later in this same short film ? Of course, it could be some more crackerjack detective work...you know, why hold it by the sling and have a scope when you can just grab the gun with your hand.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2018, 01:57:26 PM »
And from the biography it states " Craig worked for the Purex Corporation before joining the Dallas Police Department in 1959. He was named Man of the Year by the sheriff's office in 1960 for his work in aid in helping to capture an international jewel chief. He had a successful career in the DPD and was promoted four times". 

Lastly, Alyea film :


Who thinks this gun at the beginning  looks like the scoped Mannlicher-Carcano with sling that is held up later in this same short film ? Of course, it could be some more crackerjack detective work...you know, why hold it by the sling and have a scope when you can just grab the gun with your hand.

Mr Brazell....If you are unable to identify the rifle that Lt Day pulls from beneath the boxes of books, as a model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano then you probably would benefit by going to Wiki and learning what a Carcano looks like.

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Offline Mitch Todd

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2018, 04:16:39 PM »
First,I know you'll want to comment on the CIA memos of 11-25 & 11-28-63 stating the gun was in fact a 7.35 Mauser(25th) and that the press reports indicating the gun was a Mannlicher-Carcano " ARE IN ERROR"(28th). What a crackerjack job of crime solving....case wrapped up in 24 hours but THREE and even SIX days later the CIA is disputing the Mannlicher Carcano as being the gun.

So where did the CIA get their information? AFAIK, Mauser never made a 7.35mm rifle. That caliber is well-associated with the Carcano, however. Italy was in the process of moving to 7.35 from 6.5 when WWI broke out, and went back to 6.5 as an expediency. Most 7.35 Caracanos then in existence were converted to 6.5, and the rest of the 7.35s were issued to rear echelon and other second-line troops.

And from the biography it states " Craig worked for the Purex Corporation before joining the Dallas Police Department in 1959. He was named Man of the Year by the sheriff's office in 1960 for his work in aid in helping to capture an international jewel chief. He had a successful career in the DPD and was promoted four times". 

Craig didn't work for the DPD. He was a deputy Sherriff.


Lastly, Alyea film :


Who thinks this gun at the beginning  looks like the scoped Mannlicher-Carcano with sling that is held up later in this same short film ? Of course, it could be some more crackerjack detective work...you know, why hold it by the sling and have a scope when you can just grab the gun with your hand.

It does look like the rifle held up later in the film. And if you can't tell that the rifle that Day is holding at the end of the clip is a Carcano, well, I just don't know what to tell you.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2018, 04:29:38 PM »
I get a chuckle out of the fact that in spite of no shots being fired from the 6th floor , those dumbass conspirators actually planted TWO different rifles up there. Now if that ain't brilliant.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2018, 05:37:09 PM »
So the plan was to link Oswald to a MC rifle but then use a Mauser to assassinate JFK?  And they left both a Mauser and MC rifle in the TSBD but the shots were fired from the Grassy Knoll?  LOL.  Assume the fetal position in some dark place and try to give that some thought in the context of a plan to frame Oswald.  See if you can think of any logical inconsistencies.  In every high profile investigation there are misstatements made in the initial stages.  That is why investigators largely tend not to discuss ongoing cases anymore.  Unfortunately, in an effort to be transparent the DPD made some misstatements that CTers cling to with pedantic desperation to this day in lieu of any actual evidence to support their fantasy.

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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2018, 05:37:09 PM »