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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #184 on: July 09, 2018, 06:32:30 PM »
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Stop falling for the LNers game. The Mauser issue has a lot of supporting evidence. It does NOT need or rely on Roger Craig.

FWIW, I have seen no evidence showing what Craig said to be a lie.


 Rob I am not sure if I have expressed to you my take about the significance of my personal conclusions, or even the nature of conclusions in general There  is some term like firmly researched opinions loosely held For instance I am not sure I am convinced the gun found by Boone is what we are seeing in the film Nor am I convinced there is only one rifle under consideration But given certain caveats , such as, agreeing that Fritz, Weitzman and Boone are all looking at the rifle found in the north end near the stairway, and I have to choose Mauser or Carcano I guess I am going to MC for me at leat that is really a pretty poor measure of assessing my overall impressions of the circumstances and questions that arise in regard to the question

 Certainly I can be accused of being wishy washy but conclusions are overrated imo,

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #185 on: July 09, 2018, 06:56:36 PM »
Interesting Mr. Caster's story is nowhere to be found in the narrative.
it is only referenced (without name - um, I mean buried) in these 2 pages of the WCR.

Page 601
Fritz Interrogation Report

"...I asked if he had owned a rifle, he said he had not. He said that he had seen one at the building a few days ago, and that Mr. Truly and some of the employees were looking at it..."

Page 612
FBI REPORT

Captain FRITZ asked OSWALD if he ever owned a rifle and OSWALD stated that he had observed a MR. Truly, a supervisor at the Texas School Book Depository on November 20, 1963, display a rifle to some individuals in his office on the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository, but denied ever owning a rifle himself.    DL 89-43 /  Hosty & Bookout

Fritz Interrogation Report
"...I asked if he had owned a rifle, he said he had not. He said that he had seen one at the building a few days ago, and that Mr. Truly and some of the employees were looking at it..."


Hi Micheal....  Don't you feel that there is something wrong with this statement by Fritz??....
Fritz says that he asked lee if he had owned a rifle and Lee allegedly immediately replied that "he had seen one in the building a few days ago".....

I feel that Lee's reply would make sense if he was referring to a specific rifle  ......Such as....

I asked if he had owned a this rifle, and he said that he did not, but he had seen one that looked like that rifle in the building a few days ago.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #186 on: July 09, 2018, 07:54:53 PM »
This is why I believe that Walt is here to mislead. I have told him countless times that I don't think that the Mauser was "hidden beneath boxes", but he just keeps acting like I have.

No other CTer has ever said this from what I have ever seen either, but he just keeps acting like they have.

It is absurd to think that a rifle with "MADE ITALY", "CAL. 6.5", and "1940" could be thought to be a Mauser of 7.65 caliber.

Don't fall for the 🚽💩 that is being claimed.

Rob, Surely you know that Roger Craig was referring specifically to the rifle that Fritz and Day were examining  at about 1:30 in the NW corner of the sixth floor...( the one that Boone and Weitzman found hidden beneath the boxes of books) and that's the rifle  Craig said was a mauser.  You have said many times that you accept Craig's story as the truth...

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #187 on: July 10, 2018, 12:46:49 AM »


I'll repost this post that I made earlier because it really puts the Kibosh on any Mauser stupidity, the Alyea footage was filmed when Oswald's rifle was found, then this footage was whisked away to WFAA studios where it was processed and immediately put to air in other words there was no time for an alleged complicated restaging of C2766's recovery. 


An Italian Carcano was filmed on the 6th floor and this footage of an Italian Carcano was broadcast on the afternoon of the 22nd. In the following video from DVP's YT channel @3:25 we see Oswald's Italian Carcano being shown that afternoon on WFAA-TV.


Here's how we know that Oswald's Carcano is the actual rifle found on the 6th floor because C2766 the rifle that Oswald bought from Kleins had a unique random gouge on the the forestock and this random gouge is exactly replicated on the 6th floor Italian Carcano and the Italian Carcano that is seen being held by Lt Day at the DPD and all on the 22nd.



And if that wasn't enough here's an Italian Carcano being removed from the Depository on the same afternoon.





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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #188 on: July 10, 2018, 03:23:48 AM »
HI Walt -- do you mean to imply LHO was shown a Mauser by Fritz ?
from this?.... if so that's a leap

It seems to me that Fritz and the FBI agent Anderson did in fact have a Mauser on Saturday....because Weitzman examined a mauser ( FBI agent wrote a report about that incident and Weitzman said that Fritz came an took the mauser away.) 

So based on that FBI report ...Yes, Fritz did have a mauser.......

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #189 on: July 10, 2018, 03:48:56 AM »
On what day did the Mauser turn into a Carcano ? We know it had to be at least a day and a 1/2. Your boys on the 6th floor messed up that day except for Roger Craig . To bad that Wietzman changed his story. If you went against the main story of Oswald as the lone nut assassin then the chances of you getting to breathe a little longer were null and void. Now tell me again why JD Tippit stopped at Oswalds rooming house and honked the horn ? What would Ruby have told the WC if they had taken him back to Washington DC. I wonder if it would have been some of the same words that Ruby told Dorothy Kilgallen right before she was found dead and of course Dorothy's best friend was found dead just a few days later. What a coincidence ! What are the chances ? It was a Mauser ! Get over it .

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #190 on: July 10, 2018, 02:21:54 PM »
sorry walt without any actual evidence of above --and I see none
I just can't go there

Have you seen the FBI report?    I believe the agents name was Anderson.... and he quotes Weitzman as Weitzman describes a 7.65 mauser.    Now what the hell was the idea behind handing Weitzman a mauser and then recording Weitzman's description of that mauser?

That FBI report has been posted on this forum..... 


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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #191 on: July 10, 2018, 05:04:39 PM »
That report was about events on November 22. Only you have made it about November 23. More distortion.

Rob, Why don't you take a trip to Hell.....  And come back with documentation that PROVES ( absolutely PROVES) that Weitzman examined a mauser on November 22, 1963, in the presence of the FBI agent.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #191 on: July 10, 2018, 05:04:39 PM »