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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #360 on: January 15, 2019, 11:33:58 PM »
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It was 'spinning like a top' according to Waldo.

 ;)

I recall Walt spending an enormous amount of time arguing that the clip could not be seen in any of the photos and film footage taken inside of the TSBD, and that meant it had in fact fallen out when Fritz operated the bolt and "ejected" the unspent round.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #361 on: January 15, 2019, 11:37:45 PM »
    When Empty, the Clip is supposed to Immediately Fall Down and Out of the rifle magazine. The Clip Not being visible dangling from the magazine means: (1) It is Loose/Free inside the weapon, or (2) Completely Absent/Missing from the weapon.

The clips do not always do what they're supposed to. They sometimes stick and have to be forced out by hand. Oswald's was like that. Being loose/free inside the weapon does not mean that it was free to move side to side enough to rattle around.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #362 on: January 15, 2019, 11:50:07 PM »
    When Empty, the Clip is supposed to Immediately Fall Down and Out of the rifle magazine. The Clip Not being visible dangling from the magazine means: (1) It is Loose/Free inside the weapon, or (2) Completely Absent/Missing from the weapon.

The BRASS clip does NOT rattle around  in the magazine ...Brass is non ferrous  and can be compared to copper ...it simply doesn't clink or rattle like a ferrous metal...

I just placed an empty brass clip in a carcano and I shook it, in an effort to make the clip rattle... It did not...Hoever something interesting happened...The clip slipped down to the exact point that the clip is seen in Alyea's film,... which is about 1/8 of an inch of the clip visible in the magazine....

Believe it or not....

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #363 on: January 15, 2019, 11:59:11 PM »
a cheesy weapon which is about as lethal as two-inch plastic toy gun a child could get free out of a Perkin's wishing well

Are you talking about the rifle used in 9 wars, including I & II

If someone ever points an MC at you, I suggest you duck..
The gun could be used for a prop in a play at best. And if you're saying it was used to kill Kennedy, wait a second. Think of the most outrageous theory you have heard, how about the one where the Limo Driver,  Agent Greer, is the Assasin. As silly as that sounds, it's not as silly as being told it was some Italian gun parts cobbled together then used by LHO.  A reasonable person would not believe either as the truth.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #364 on: January 16, 2019, 12:03:51 AM »
The clips do not always do what they're supposed to. They sometimes stick and have to be forced out by hand. Oswald's was like that. Being loose/free inside the weapon does not mean that it was free to move side to side enough to rattle around.

    If the clip were "LOOSE/FREE" inside the weapon, by definition this means it would Rattle. There has to be some room/space inside the magazine for the clip to Drop/Fall down and out of the weapon. This room/space would explain the rattle of a "loose/free" clip inside the weapon.  When a clip has to be "forced out" by hand", it is partially visible hanging from the magazine. This is what we see in the Image of Lt Day walking down Elm St after exiting the TSBD vs there being No Clip visible hanging from the magazine while the rifle was inside the TSBD.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #365 on: January 16, 2019, 12:11:59 AM »
    If the clip were "LOOSE/FREE" inside the weapon, by definition this means it would Rattle.

Nonsense.

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There has to be some room/space inside the magazine for the clip to Drop/Fall down and out of the weapon. This room/space would explain the rattle of a "loose/free" clip inside the weapon.  When a clip has to be "forced out" by hand", it is partially visible hanging from the magazine. This is what we see in the Image of Lt Day walking down Elm St after exiting the TSBD vs there being No Clip visible hanging from the magazine while the rifle was inside the TSBD.

The fact that the clip can be seen protruding from the rifle does not mean that it had been forced out by hand. It had worked it's way out due the handling of it by Day. 

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #366 on: January 16, 2019, 01:29:41 AM »
Nonsense.

The fact that the clip can be seen protruding from the rifle does not mean that it had been forced out by hand. It had worked it's way out due the handling of it by Day.

     If the Carcano clip is seen protruding from the rifle bottom, it needs to be dislodged/extracted by hand. The opening at the bottom of the rifle is Wider than the Clip. What do you think is holding the Clip inside a space that is wider than it is? It is jammed as Mytton's You Tube visual aide demonstrated.
     If the clip Worked its' way out of the rifle "due to the handling of it by Day", then the Clip would have been Rattling around inside the weapon as I stated earlier. You disputed the "rattling" at that time. Now, you are trumpeting this.  You are inconsistently grasping at straws due to being unfamiliar with the operation of the rifle.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #367 on: January 16, 2019, 02:31:15 AM »
     If the Carcano clip is seen protruding from the rifle bottom, it needs to be dislodged/extracted by hand. The opening at the bottom of the rifle is Wider than the Clip. What do you think is holding the Clip inside a space that is wider than it is? It is jammed as Mytton's You Tube visual aide demonstrated.
     If the clip Worked its' way out of the rifle "due to the handling of it by Day", then the Clip would have been Rattling around inside the weapon as I stated earlier. You disputed the "rattling" at that time. Now, you are trumpeting this.  You are inconsistently grasping at straws due to being unfamiliar with the operation of the rifle.

I'm still disputing the rattling. And I'm not being inconsistent at all. The only possible rattling that comes to mind right now is that going on between yours. The clip doesn't have to do any rattling at all in order to slowly slide out of the bottom of the rifle.

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« Reply #367 on: January 16, 2019, 02:31:15 AM »